I have to say that Rose is so patient with me, even when I mess up, that it makes me want to change all the more. She is truly a wonderful person and I’m glad I know her. She’s helping me change, little by little. I’m very lucky to have her as a girlfriend. 
The poster formerly known as “Snark.” (Don’t ask.)
Rose, if I can speak for Esprix (kind of a dangerous step! :)), I suspect he is very, very leery of “ex-gay ministries” – simply because, as Gaudere documented statistics on some months ago, for the most part they do not work as advertised.
My personal take on this whole issue is that I want to be as sure as possible that you and Bill are happy and that neither of you hurts the other inadvertently, particularly through assuming things that just ain’t so. Such as, that Bill can “change himself immediately by an act of will” – which we’ve covered ad nauseam. I like both of you a lot, and I sincerely wish and hope that this works out really well – up to and including a lifetime of joy together (more if you convert to LDS! :D). I think you both are more than on top of any potential pitfalls, and so I’ve stopped poking my nose into your lives.
I don’t see Esprix’s negative on Disciples2 as “bothering [Esprix] so much that he [Bill] wants to change”, as trying to avoid promoting a brand of snake-oil to someone looking for medicine. What will work for Bill is your ongoing, patient love and your mutual honesty with each other. That I can guarantee. And with your experiences, you are in a perfect position to completely understand what goes on in his heart and mind and be supportive, if the scars from your own past hurts can be kept from harming the process. I may have gone too far in posting even this, but I do care a lot about both of you, and can see you both finding lasting happiness or doing great hurt to each other, depending on how you work the relationship – and therefore want to try to push for the first and warn away from the second. I hope that doesn’t upset you.
Poly: thanks dad! 
Thank you, Poly. I do think that it can work. Like I’ve told Rose, my social phobia and reclusiveness is our main obstacle. All other considerations may carry some weight, but that is the main one.
Very good. This being all out in the open and all, no doubt I’m not the only one who will want to hear good news.
Of course it bothers me - I think it’s a bunch of bunk and hooey. But then we can always just scroll back and read all the previous posts herein if we want details…
Esprix
Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you.
Ah, yes, that’s them. I was just curious if you’d heard of them.
Why not?
I’m getting that picture…
Esprix
Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you.
Eh, you I trust.
Eloquently put, and accurate.
And more, I hate to see someone hurt themselves by doing something inherently emotionally dangerous (trying to “switch teams,” not being in a relationship); then again, I would never stop him from trying - after all, if I didn’t by claiming moral indignation, why, I’d be just as bad as a Bible-thumpin’ jeezer! {shudder}
Esprix
Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you.
Esprix wrote:
It’s considered an apostate group, and I don’t advertise for apostate groups.
The poster formerly known as “Snark.” (Don’t ask.)
Snark aka Flinx. Orangecakes wrote me and said she wasn’t interested in doing anytype of therapy, but I provided her with the email address of the person anyway. I wish you both the best of luck in finding happiness, but in order to do so there are some basic things that both of you need to work out. If you write me or talk to Rose, you can get the email address of the person to whom I would recommend talking to. I put out the thought in a thread called not wanting to ressurect old threads but you ignored it there. This person will remain completely confidential about all the details and everything. So please, write me at paganbearcub@hotmail.com or talk to Rose (who also has the email I would suggest both of you use) and just talk to him and perhaps the ongoing search for happiness will hit the culmination that both of you truly deserve.
HUGS!
Sqrl
Thank you, SqrlCub, I’ll talk to Rose about it. I appreciate your concern.
Poly, could you link to the tread where Gaudere provided those stats? I missed it; it must’ve been from the days before I became addicted to this place.