Do you see yourself in future relationships with women? Do you see yourself effectively dealing with your sexuality? Or is this unsure status quo an acceptable life for you?
Esprix
Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you.
Esprix wrote:
Future relationships are always a possibility. I don’t think anyone can really see that far ahead into their lives as to whether they will marry or not. I fully believe I can conquer my sexual hang-ups, but it will take time and will power, and lots of prayer. And perhaps lots of therapy.
Okay, you (some of you) have us married and on social security already. We arent going to meet for at least 2 months! Hello people. Why do I feel like I am under a microscope here? Apparantly Esprix has some sort of pyschoanalytical bent here,a nd is insistant on going through everything he or she can. Why not just leave us in peace? If not, enjoy yourself, I’m not listening.
I find it amazing that OC is willing to put herself into this situation again. Granted I don’t know the whole story, just what I have read in this thread. It seems to me that going after admitted gay men and trying to convert them is her MO. Scares me!
I just want you all to know that every time I read this thread name, a song pops into my head.
This monkey’s gone to heaven by The Pixies
Substituting the original lyircs with the thread name makes it even more hilarious 
Coldfire
"You know how complex women are"
- Neil Peart, Rush (1993)
Good grief! I’ve only had 2 other girlfriends in my entire life. One was mentally retarded, and the other emotionally unstable, like me. Both of them left me.
Let me have a girlfriend, okay? I don’t need therapy to have a girlfriend, I don’t need to be 100% straight to have a girlfriend, and I certainly don’t need people telling me I’m “immoral” for having a girlfriend. I’m glad that the great majority of the Teemings are just wishing me and Rose well. To those who can’t stand the thought of me having a little bit of happiness in my otherwise miserable life, I say: [expletive deleted].
Well. What snark said.
Prairie Rose and Zette seem to have figured it out, but some folks have an agenda to push.
Lemmon: I’ve had many boyfriends besides Bill and formerhusband. They were all 100% straight. Your welcome.
And thanks to pl, who e-mailed me his congrats!
Well, there it is, and that’s what it comes down to. The best I can do at this point, then, is to wish you luck, and hope whatever path you take leads you to true, to-the-bone happiness.
Esprix
Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you.
Perhaps I do, but learn this lesson well for the future - if you post it, they will respond. I’m learning that over in the Pit myself.
Esprix
Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you.
First of all, you started this thread and opened yourself up by calling it “This queer is switching teams,” so questions about your announcement were bound to crop up. If I’ve been one to disappoint you here, then I apologize, but this is a public forum. Second, I hope you never got the impression I called you “immoral” - my only concern is for your mental health and keeping yourself and others from what I see as harm. And third, Snark, if this will give you honest-to-goodness, real-life happiness… hey, I’m wrong, so sue me, and go for it. I just cannot stand by and let someone make what I see as a horrible mistake without speaking up. If, after listening to my and others’ comments, your decisions stand, well… ok. That’s what makes life so interesting - choices.
Esprix
Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you.
Esprix wrote:
[sarcasm]Yes, I know it’s a public forum. I’ve been a regular on this board since it was on AOL, for several years, and I got the impression somehow, somewhere along the line, that it was indeed public.[/sarcasm]
I thought it was a creative title for the thread. So sue me, I like Seinfeld.
No, it was SqrlCub who called me immoral and said “shame on you” for dating a straight woman.
It’s a horrible mistake to have a girlfriend?
It’s a horrible mistake to have a girlfriend on the foundation of rocky sexuality issues. I would have given all of this same advice to someone who had been raped, or left at the altar, or gone through a messy divorce, or any number of issues. Until a person has really effectively confronted and dealt with their issues, I don’t see how any relationship can succeed.
(The above reflects only the opinion of Esprix and not necessarily of this message board or its members, yadda yadda yadda… 
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Esprix
Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you.
Esprix, I checked with my local mental health agency that I go to, and they told me that they do indeed share “confidential” client information among the members of the staff. So I told them, “No way am I going to give you business if you won’t give me complete confidentiality.” I’ll check if Medicaid will allow me to go to another more private therapist. Thanks for all your advice.
Bill and Rose - ain’t it fun having everybody and his brother critique your relationship practically before it’s begun? Anytime you want free advice that’s worth what you paid for it, you know where you can get it.
First of all, I’d like to second what Polycarp said back on p.3.
I’d like to especially agree, Bill, with what Poly said about your religious beliefs not being taken seriously. Awhile back in the thread, someone said you were selfish for having Rose’s conversion to LDS as a condition of marriage. Bull! One’s faith inevitably makes certain things non-negotiable. You’re aware of that, and upfront about it. That’s all that you need to be.
I have to strongly disagree with SqrlCub about the morality of your entering into this relationship. You’re not fooling Rose about who or what you are. You want to try to live a life that’s compatible with beliefs you hold dear. They’re not only part of the equation; for you, those beliefs are its principal part. You’re doing your best to be true to who you are, and you’re being honest with Rose. Given that, you’ve got a right to tell any naysayers to stuff it.
And, yes, therapy might help, but enough of that deceased equine. This isn’t like fooling around with nukes; this is a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship. My take is, you’re supposed to enjoy them things, not analyze them half to death like we’ve been doing for you, pretty much against your will.
So I hope you guys have a good time together, learn a few things about yourselves along the way, and maybe it will work out, or maybe it won’t. Before I met my wife, all my romances, by definition, didn’t work out. I still enjoyed them, and wouldn’t give up the memories.
Have fun!
RT
Thanks, RT, I’m glad you understand (and I wish everybody did). Like Rose said, we haven’t even met each other and already people have us married and on social security! I was especially offended by being called “immoral,” since it’s one of the most moral things I’ve ever considered in my life, to start dating with marriage as a goal, whether it’s Rose or someone else. The noive! Some people!
The noive, indeed. Fuhgeddaboutem, and enjoy!
You’re more than welcome, although I guess I’ll never really understand why you don’t want professionals sharing your medical information with each other. That aside, again, good luck to ya both.
Esprix
Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you.
My, this thread’s been dormant for a while…
Anywho, two questions: One, have you two met yet, and/or how is it going so far? And two, Flinx (formerly known as Snark), did you know there is a LDS Don’t Wanna Be Queer No More support group online? I kind of hate to encourage the idea, but I’m curious if you know of them.
Esprix
Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you.
We meet in April, when I fly there(on a plane) for Easter vacation. Things are good.
And why Don’t you want to encourage the idea?
Does it bother you so much that he wants to change?
Esprix, yes, there is an online group called “Disciples2” that is for LDS “gays” who want to change and who want to believe in LDS doctrine. There is also another group which I won’t mention by name which caters to LDS gays of every stripe. This latter group is kind of anti-LDS, so I left it alone after trying it out for a while. I left the former one, too, but not due to doctrinal issues but merely because I felt uncomfortable socially. I don’t seem to fit into either camp, the apostate LDS gays or the super-spiritual LDS gays. When they made me they broke the mold! I’m somewhere inbetween.
The poster formerly known as “Snark.” (Don’t ask.)