Current vote tallies (with voter(s), in chronological order):
special ed: 1 (Pleonast)
Red Skeezix: 1 (Hirka T’Bawa)
Votes will be final when Day Three ends on Thursday, 5/5 at 11am CST.
Votes cast today, by player (in post number):
Hirka T’Bawa: Voting the leader at the last second is it? Funny, I wasn’t even the last voter. Well, had I not voted giraffe, then it would have been ed on the block? Would that have been better or worse? I dunno. The lynch was a close one, so better to vote, and at least have something to be held accountable for, than to just be silent.
Pleo: Participation doesn’t get much worse than mine yesterday. So yeah, you’re right.
Still getting caught up on yesterDay, but I’m casting a hairy eyeball at Astral.
Why?
K, so here is what we “know”. I say “know” because of the potential godfather and the fact that none of you can be sure I’m Lion-O(uh, though no counterclaim makes it fairly obvious I am).
Town:
Mahaloth
Jimmy Chitwood
Tom Scud
Everyone else:
Astral Rejection
Pleonast
Hirka T’Bawa
Normal Phase
special ed
Red Skeezix
Inner Stickler
We’re getting our butts kicked here. Four town dead in a row is a total decimation in a game this size.
Not sure what to do, though.
Mass claim? Does that help us? Or just expose us and end the game?
Don’t like the idea of a mass claim. Currently majorly suspicious of Ed and skeezix; will try to re-read Ed today (skeez will take like 3 minutes total) and see if anything shakes loose.
Well, the upside is there’s not a whole lot of people left to examine (and most of them haven’t talked much).
Inner Stickler
Zeriel/Hirka
Red Skeezix
Ed.
Vote Ed
Normal is there any reason you left me off your list?
Mahaloth, you’re as confirmed as is possible at this point, so you don’t need to give us reasons for your vote. But it would be nice to have your thoughts so that when you turn up dead, we’ll have still have some honest analysis to consider.
Of course, there’s a long list of players who need to contribute something. Get with it! Even in the worst case, we’re not at lynch or lose yet.
Actually, I’m not certain about this.
Moderator, is the game over if at Dawn there are an equal number of town and scum? Or, must the scum outnumber us?
Equal numbers, should they occur, is still a scum win. Equal numbers not causing a win puts in the potential for players to force the outcome of the game to a die roll, which I think most people will find frustrating and unsatisfying.
Fabulous.
@ Pleo: I left you and Astral off because I already looked at you yesterday.
Here’s the first I haven’t (Inner):
127 – hiya
203 – not getting involved in Pleo discussion, done that too often. Doesn’t like mahaloth’s rebuttal to the votes on him about the Tom thing. Mentions a scumdar comment and vote, presumably from Maha, that I don’t remember the context of; says it looks like scum maha is trying to deflect attention from himself by accusing others of same thing he’s doing.
Inner, what were you talking about with the scumdar thing?
Not a fan of the not commenting, but it’s probably a null tell. I have no problem with the suspicion on Maha for the first reason mentioned and need context for the second.
240 – jumping into Pleo fray after all on opposite side from usual. Doesn’t see Pleo as trying the ploy that Jimmy suggests; he’s just a huge fan of multivoting. Jimmy assuming anti-town, doesn’t see evidence, maybe some spinning of motives.
Can’t fault the content of this vote even in light of Maha’s investigation. I do want to know what happened to Inner’s suspicion of Mahaloth (this was well prior to Mahaloth’s role reveal, and even to Ed’s).
242 – response to Jimmy asking if we should all just be multivoting, says doesn’t see the point, Jimmy not scummy for trying to get Pleo to stop, scummy b/c that’s the reason he was voting for him. Scum don’t’ care about cases as long as they get someone lynched.
That’s it (except for a joky comment on skimming I left out somewhere), no comments through the latter part of the day when Ed and then Maha were in trouble, nor when Giraffe was lynched, and I think nothing yet today.
All of Inner’s sins are sins of omission (not talking about Maha when he voted Jimmy, not being around at critical periods). If Jimmy is in fact town, then Inner being third on the bandwagon behind Maha and me could be scum motivated; I don’t think Maha’s bandwagon was going anywhere that early in the day.
I really want Inner to talk more.
Well, I would be happy to trade an instant loss for a die roll, but I suppose scum see it differently.
Given this, it looks like we are at lynch or lose if there are four scum.
Thinking about a mass claim… The costs are that Panthro (protector) and Wilykit/kat (death-linked masons) would be exposed. It seems we may not have Panthro, since they didn’t protect Mahaloth (or am I misunderstanding what the mod said about that?). We don’t want to expose the Wilykitkats, since they’d be a double kill for the scum.
But if we are at lynch or lose, none of that matters. If we’re not at lynch or lose, while a mass claim may help us get scum now, we likely hamper our future efforts by exposing power roles. So, the big question is: 3 or 4 scum?
Mahaloth, your thoughts on this are especially important.
I think pace Tom’s opinion that it was unlikely, there’s probably a good chance that fubbleskag was targeted directly. Otherwise what was Panthro doing that fubbleskag’s protection was needed? Not that it matters in the long run, I suppose.
[QUOTE=Pleonast]
I’m assuming this is why Jimmy ended up voting for Giraffe, because the actual vote post has nothing. I’d like a better explanation because this one is lacking. What do you refer to by “pushing on increasingly diminishing returns” specifically?
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Yeah, I wasn’t very clear about that. I meant that Giraffe had originally switched his vote because ed mentioned proboards. Later he added that the claim sounded awkward, and then later added the bit about lying about being in the lead, but those seemed very much after-the-fact. I meant that it seemed like he put his vote first, and then kept piling things on top even though they were less and less damning, in my eyes. Those were the diminishing returns – I thought his first reason wasn’t that compelling, and that ed actually capably responded to it (which people don’t always do), but that Giraffe only got more convinced by that. That seemed like better evidence than ed acting weird, so that’s the direction I tried to shift things. It looks like a much worse idea now that we know Giraffe was town and don’t know about ed, and I’m cool being accountable for that.
vote ed - on a reread, I basically agree with Pleo; Ed hasn’t explained his votes at all well and hasn’t done much else aside from his momentary “look at me” silliness on Day 2 which didn’t really contribute much of anything. I’m also suspicious of Red, who could be playing his scum-style lurker game but also had a legit excuse about not being able to play from work; but it seems likely to me that if Red is scum, ed is also scum.
Whoops, separate line
vote ed
Current vote tallies (with voter(s), in chronological order):
special ed: 3 (Pleonast, Mahaloth, Tom Scud)
Red Skeezix: 1 (Hirka T’Bawa)
Votes will be final when Day Three ends on Thursday, 5/5 at 11am CST.
Votes cast today, by player (in post number):
No promises, but I’m going to try to do a Cookies-style reread starting from the point where Pleo, Ed, and Jimmy were tied at 3 (assume Pleo is scum, then reread assuming ed is scum, then reread assuming Jimmy is the godfather).
Withdrawing this, also:
unvote
From the timing, a scum Red could as easily have been protecting a theoretical Godfather Jimmy as a theoretical scum ed; I had the order of his vote and fubble’s mixed up in my head.
So. Hirka/Zeriel.
First, Zeriel’s entire contribution that didn’t involve sniping at Pleo for his multivote:
Let me just say here that I think we would have been in a much better situation right now if Giraffe and Wolverine (and Ed) had claimed on Day 1. Zeriel’s claim that the math totally proves him right is complete bs, as far as I can tell. I wish I’d been more aggressive about this on Day 1.
This kind of looks like it’s saying something, but really, what is it saying?
And that’s it for Zeriel.
On to Hirka - first, an intro post, then:
That’s not a bad vote post
That’s reasonable, and if Hirka had made more than 2 posts all day, I wouldn’t be feeling suspicious. As it stands, his minimal contribution and some festering suspicion of Zeriel is starting to make me wonder if ed and maybe Red are town after all.
No vote yet.
And yeah, I’d love to hear from Hirka, Inner, and Red on what they think about how yesterday’s lynch went down.