special ed - 6 (Pleonast, Red Skeezix, Mahaloth, Hirka T’Bawa, Jimmy Chitwood, Normal Phase)
Normal Phase - 1 (special ed)
/me munches peanuts
… drumroll …
Once again, one of your number is led to the Altar of Truth to face their final reckoning.
The vote unanimous excepting his own, special ed is the undisputed choice among your number. However, as the magic of the Altar causes him to shed the shadows concealing his form, he is revealed to be that which he claimed – Tygra, one of the loyal ThunderCats. His look of disappointment is palpable in the moment before he disappears in a deafening boom. The lights in the cavern fade away once again.
special ed, Tygra (Good team) has been banished. Dusk has fallen. Night Four has begun. Dawn will break on Wednesday, 5/11 at noon CST.
Oh, come on. :smack:
At least we’re still going.
Due to the small number of remaining players, please expect an abbreviated Day 5 (planning to end on Friday afternoon).
Honestly, if you get your night actions in, I’d support starting the Day more or less immediately and giving us a heads up on the end tim.
I think to be fair to all players with Night actions that I will keep Dawn where it is. It’s 24 hours for the Night; that seems short enough to me.
Fluid, if there was 3 scum remaining, and 3 town, would the game had ended after the lynch?
So, does the fact the game is still going verify that there is at most 2 scum left, so 2 scum, 4 town?
I think the mod already answered that in the affirmative.
I have another busy day ahead of me, so less participation than usual. 
A tie game will equal a Scum win.
The center of the room is bathed again in red light as Mahaloth suddenly cries out from the Altar of Truth, a glistening object in his outstretched hand.
“Thunder, thunder, thunderc—”
But, with a crash and a bang, he is silenced and a great clanging noise is heard as the object falls to the altar. When the flash of light dissipates, its identity becomes clear. Where Mahaloth was a moment ago now lays the Sword of Omens, hopelessly sundered.
Mahaloth, Lion-O (Good team) has been banished. Day Five has begun and will end on Friday, 5/13 at 4pm CST.
I don’t have much time today due to work and school, but I see we are at Lynch or die. Everyone seems quiet right now, when we should be plotting the death of scum.
So, what are peoples thoughts on who the scum is? With two of us investigated as town, we have 3 choices, with possibly 2 scum (unless chitwood is the GF). Who are people leaning towards? I’m thinking it might be red for reasons previously mentioned, but I’m thinking we need to get a concesus.
#1 Red/Pleo
IIRC Red Skeezix has never gone after Pleonast, and Pleonast didn’t go after Red until Red was already getting suspicion elsewhere. As well, Red would seem to be Pleo’s most obvious next pick after Ed (the only really obvious one, as he’s all but ruled me and Jimmy out; and you’ve been investigated), yet he hasn’t been around to say so. Red’s barely been around at all and ignored most of what was said against him yesterday.
#2 Red/Hirka (godfather)
Hirka attacking Red (and later vice versa) at LYLO, no; at two left and with otherwise nothing to dissociate either of them from Inner or from each other, the motive is there, and the direction of initial attack is also correct, given the timing. I’m not sure whether the posts themselves support this.
#3 Pleo/Hirka (godfather)
The day one spat between Pleo and Zeriel (Hirka) is classic distancing in effect whether or not in intent, but I don’t remember what the Pleo/Hirka relationship has been since then.
Colorized final votes.
Day One
glowacks: 5 (Red Skeezix, Giraffe, Astral Rejection, special ed, Normal Phase)
Tom Scud: 2 (Mahaloth, Hirka T’Bawa)
Astral Rejection: 1 (glowacks)
Mahaloth: 1 (fubbleskag)
Jimmy Chitwood: 1 (Tom Scud)
special ed: 1 (Wolverine)
Hirka T’Bawa: 1 (Pleonast)
Day Two
Giraffe: 5 (Astral Rejection, Jimmy Chitwood, Tom Scud, special ed, Red Skeezix)
special ed: 3 (Pleonast, Hirka T’Bawa, Giraffe, fubbleskag)
Jimmy Chitwood: 3 (Mahaloth, Normal Phase, Inner Stickler)
Day Three
Inner Stickler: 8 (Mahaloth, Tom Scud, Astral Rejection, special ed, Hirka T’Bawa, Red Skeezix, Normal Phase, Pleonast)
Day Four
special ed - 6 (Pleonast, Red Skeezix, Mahaloth, Hirka T’Bawa, Jimmy Chitwood, Normal Phase)
Normal Phase - 1 (special ed)
Known town
“Confirmed” town (could be godfather)
Known scum
Unknown alignment
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There’s two possibilities.A: Hirka T’Bawa and Jimmy Chitwood are town, and one of Pleonast, Normal Phase, Red Skeezix is regular scum and one the godfather.
B: One of Hirka T’Bawa and Jimmy Chitwood are the godfather, and one of Pleonast, Normal Phase, Red Skeezix is regular scum.
Since we’re at lynch or lose, we need to get both lynches right. I think the best tactic is lynching our best guess in the first group, and then assuming we get that right, figure out who the remaining scum is. If we happen to lynch the godfather in the first group, we’ll be in decent shape, since at least one confirmed townie will survive to ToMorrow. If we lynch regular scum, at least we’ll be still around.
My gut says Red Skeezix is scum and Normal Phase is the godfather. However, given how wrong I was about special ed, I’m not entirely convinced to follow my gut. Let’s look at who’s left, starting with the “confirmed” group.
Hirka T’Bawa: As Zeriel, jumped on Tom for suggesting early claiming. This could be a godfather looking for an easy target, since it’s common for players to be lynched for suggesting arguable ideas. Then gets subbed out, Hirka has played fairly pro-town. I think is a reasonable candidate for godfather.
Jimmy Chitwood: As pedescribe, did not participate or vote on Day One. The other non participant on Day One was scum. Would two out of three scum not vote on Day One? Seems unlikely. Picked a fight with me for tactical disagreements. Backed down once picked up heat for it. I could be wrong, but I still get a townie feel.
Normal Phase: Came in late on Day One with low-risk, pro-town discussion. Day Two voted for Jimmy, along with a now-known town and scum. It seems rather risky for two scum to load up on a third candidate, when the other two were town. I think unlikely to be scum.
Red Skeezix: If they’re not scum, then we’re looking at the first two lynches being all-town, unless one of Jimmy or Normal are scum. I’m now thinking those are less likely. The simplest explanation is Red is scum.
I’m open to better cases, but for now,
vote Red Skeezix
We do need a consensus, but we get one by everyone putting their thoughts and cases out there. This post strikes me as very much “post something without taking a stand”.
I’ve been after Red since Day Two. I’m not sure why you’re trying to spin that as late.
And I stated yesterday that I wouldn’t be around much, just so I wouldn’t get accused of holding back. Note that no one posted anything yesterday. At least I gave notice.
Yes, I saw your day two comment about Red’s lack of participation, but a non-counting vote on such a perfunctory basis hardly counts as “going after”. Kudos on getting in ahead of the crowd, demerits for lack of oomph. This could get interesting.
[Worthless frustration] Would Mahaloth get results before dying, other people who have played more than me? His post really bothers me either way. If he did find something out, why on earth would he leave with something as open to mind-gaming as that? WIFOMed by my own dearly departed teammate! I realize that there’s nothing to be done with it, and we have to assume that he wasn’t conveying any information whatsoever because we can’t follow up on it. It’s also cheating if he was conveying any information - further indication that he wasn’t. Which is probably why it’s bugging me that he said that when he said it. I can’t unread it, but I can’t do anything with it. [/WF]
Anyway, so here we are. This started as a general read-through with no particular focus, but it took one on rather quickly. As I was going through I saw that Normal had already commented on a few things that I had already written down, so I kind of skipped what she said and went back later. We basically agreed.
Red Skeezix – first vote on glowacks on day one, for glowacks’ post about how Tom was either a mason or scum. Accused g of the unholy trinity of smudging, mason-fishing, and ginning up a false justification for a vote. glowacks hadn’t voted for Tom at the time, and I wasn’t involved in the game, but it seems to me that it would be hard to think somebody was doing all three of those things at the same time. At the time that glowacks posted, there were two votes on Tom. The first sentence of g’s post was this:
I would submit that a town player at that point would be pretty unlikely to view that as a smudge - he’s telling you not to vote for Tom. Town players definitely had a problem with glowacks’ post, but not that problem. Pleonast said that this was a mostly good vote, but nobody as far as I can see commented further on that specific aspect.
Skeezix’ only other post that day was this one, #84:
This post is giving me the stinky eye towards astral. I feel like the case I made against glowacks is typical day 1 fodder (90% hunch, 10% evidence), but in the past my gut has been pretty good, so I’m ok with it. There’s been additional votes since I made my case, and this post feels like the beginning of a late day swing. I’m fairly confident at this point, if glowacks comes up scum that one of his voters will too (i’m thinking astral but it’s a relationship feeling and not a astral on his own feeling).
The problem with what astral is suggesting at this point is that it will give scum more information to balance their play against. I see no need to reason to lay all my suspicions down right now. Plus as I’ve seen time and time again, laying a whole pile of poorly thought out suspicions out there, tends to lead to accusations of smudging AND town infighting, due to the time it takes to defend against such suspicions and the fact that (at least for me) that being voted for draws attention. If you’ve got solid leads on scum, by all means lay them out so they can be examined and discussed, but this call for other lesser cases, is leaving me feeling leery.
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Which is interesting because the point is: don’t let them know your plan, but the content is: I plan to look at glowacks voters if glowacks is scum. It is a presentation of a lesser case against Astral, based on the fact that presenting lesser cases benefits scum.
Day Two: this is the Red Skeezix contribution:
Fifth vote on Giraffe. The first four were all town. Or, rather, town and myself, who might be the godfather as far as you know, but who I know to be town.
Hirka found that vote scummy and voted Skeezix for it early. Pleonast then bullsh… er, purple text non-voted for the same reason. Pleonast’s actual vote that counted went on to ed. He thought the bandwagon against Giraffe was really bad, which made him suspicious against ed, who was town, and against me, who had just investigated as town.
Skeezix replies:
It’s tempting to interpret the part about ed as a bit of perfect information – “oh, you’d rather I lynch some other townie instead?” That is probably a stretch, although the other interpretation would have to be that it didn’t mean anything at all.
Tom was suspicious of ed and Skeezix at this point as well. Then Normal did recaps on Inner Stickler and Red.
Red comes back later with a state of the game type post, starting with this:
Which is kind of refreshing honesty. I voted for him because 1. he was in the lead and 2. it would make my vote mean the least.
Continuing:
Suspicion of Hirka, suspicion of ed, weakened suspicion of Astral for now, vote Inner Stickler because the masons said so. That seems a lot like one of those posts laying all his suspicions out, which is what Astral was supposed to be suspicious for back on day one.
Skeezix later clarifies that “for now” really was just a turn of phrase, and that the bit about Astral was just for the purposes of resolving what he had said earlier. Also says that his suspicion of Hirka is because Hirka made up the fact that he voted in the last seconds, rather than just late in the day.
Next day, Pleonast votes ed, saying of Red Skeezix
Hirka votes Red.
Red says:
Red and Hirka go back and forth a bit about whether fubbleskag was targeted directly. Red hadn’t considered that maybe fubbleskag was martyred (I don’t think he was martyred).
Hirka switches from Red to ed - not really sure why. That’s the way “the wind was blowing.”
Then Hirka says he thinks I might be the godfather, which is all right. It was true that I hadn’t really understood based on my reading of the rules that we might not have a Panthro, so I was having a conversation I didn’t know I was having. Skeezix picks right up with me, talking about a second kill making it more likely that there is a Panthro. There was assuredly not a second kill.
Then I bought a ticket onto the ed bandwagon, and there ended the danger to Red, pretty much. Normal voted Red anyway, but then changed over to ed (not sure why). Before ed left, he gave this list in order of scumminess:
Red and Pleonast talked some more about a claim; Red specifically about the possible benefit of a protector claiming. And that’s a wrap.
I see almost no instances where it seemed like Red was playing for town, to be honest.
Vote Red Skeezix