I’ve been thinking about a mass claim, which is effectively a question of whether or not the protector should claim. And I’m not sure what the town gains from it. Without the claim, scum have a larger pool of targets to find them. And they can safely protect Mahaloth. If the lynch starts to head towards them, they can claim.
If the protector claims, we get a guessing game (protect investigator or protector?) between them and scum. How’s that helpful?
And I’m not sure what a mass claim would do for us.
Personally, I’d leave the decision up to the protector and/or Mahaloth. But I think an open investigator and hidden protector, with no scum blockers, is as good a situation as we can get.
I think we can discount it. The godfather is the only role that the ruleset doesn’t qualify in any way as “may be present” or some such. In my mind the only caveat here has been whether the godfather’s presence MUST have been intended to be as a godfather, since the town will also learn the number of scum remaining when the godfather is dead. So there is a godfather function that is independent of the presence or absence of Lion-O. That said, Mahaloth yanked the Inner Stickler lynch essentially out of nowhere, and what’s the motive for that? He really didn’t need any more town cred. Maybe if there are only three scum, hence probably no Panthro, and he runs into WIFOM as to why he’s still alive? But eh, it’s a mess. As far as I’m concerned if Mahaloth is scum, congrats, you did awesome.
This pings me slightly. I’d think you’d want to confirm a less-likely town more urgently than you’d want to confirm a more-likely one.
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I don’t even know what to say about Ed at this point. I see he’s got four votes. I don’t know what the heck he was thinking to accomplish if he is scum, acting like this. Just to go under my “weird is not scummy” radar, at the cost of triggering everyone else’s? I doubt it. The only thing I can think of is if you are also scum, and all of this was intended to bolster your credentials. It would make some sense of Inner’s vote for Jimmy (if it wasn’t just "the case against Mahaloth is going nowhere, what’s up next?), since IIRC both of you were in some trouble at that point.
I have one small ping on Ed independent of his crappy unsupported votes, and that’s when he said he just wasn’t all that into this game. I’ve seen that a few times before from scum having issues. It’s just not much.
Number one reason why scum do not do that: they believe there is a protector. I just sat here for five minutes trying to work out the possibilities based on what the scum might think in a three-player vs four-player situation and ultimately I can’t do it. Clearly they would be more likely to shoot at Mahaloth directly (in this case hitting fubbles instead) if they believe Panthro is not in the game (in itself more likely if three scum than four). It’s just you can’t tell from the write-up if that’s what happened. From my perspective it seems more likely than not (unless Pleo is bussing Ed), but I don’t see yours.
What about Inner’s vote on Jimmy?
I’m a she.
It’s possible. The comment by Jimmy a bit below that Ed’s behavior might actually make sense for a godfather is the first argument against him that makes sense to me.
All I can say at this point is that if Red is scum and Ed is not, I get a cupcake at the end of the game or when I get killed, whichever comes first.
I’d like you to answer the question above, though.
This does seem to make sense, and I actually agree with it. However, if I’m lynched, there will only be 3 univestigated players. Mahaloth investigates 1 of them. That leaves 2. If the Scum kill 1 (protector) then we lynch the other one toMorrow. Mahaloth’s job is complete. If the Scum don’t kill 1 of the 2, we still lynch one of them and we’ll know about the thrid.
IOf course, I understand from your point of view there might be 3 Scum and I’m one of them. However, if there are 3 Scum, the game is over when I’m lynched. I know this. I don’t expect you to.
Only what if there is no protector and mahaloth has been playing us for a fool?
Gah, I thought I had you dead to rights for a second. I thought there was no halfway plausible four-scum scenario that included Ed but didn’t include you (both your statements contain assumptions that are more likely to belong to four scum than to three), but there is one from a general perspective: Ed, me and Hirka (and Inner).
From a later comment in response to Hirka:
Only if the scum have reason to think Panthro is actually in the game, and as far as I can tell there is just no way to figure that out right now independent of knowledge of the number of scum. You all but accuse Hirka of PIS in your short previous post that I left out, but you are almost as PIS-y as he is with the assumptions over and over that Panthro is in, and you haven’t been investigated as town.
This has got to be deliberate obfuscation. You’re a good player; how can you forget half the possible roles in the game?
May as well go with my top candidate under the circumstances. For whatever it’s worth, I have everyone else as:
Pleonast (the goading of me today is pushing him up again) > Ed (I understand the case, he’s just very nicely inside my blind spot if scum) > Hirka (town investigation, no strong pings) > Jimmy (town investigation, inner vote) > Mahaloth (Inner lynch; godfather almost if not quite demands Lion-O, making a claim insanely risky).
Protector revealing would open up some more balanced WIFOM possibilities against the scum, that’s the only benefit I can think of. With a hidden protector there’s really no incentive to protect anyone but Mahaloth. It’s probably not worth it.
The only incentive I think of for the protector to claim (If i’m reading the tea leaves right, there is one) is to reduce the completely unknown pool by 1. The benefit of this is dubious at this point however, and would in my estimation be better done tomorrow.
So I took that to mean he wasn’t protected by panthro. Though, y’all have made some good comments that they might not have targeted Mahaloth thinking that he might be protected, and might have just gotten the martyr by pure luck. I didn’t even think of that possibility. First game ever, never played scum, so didn’t think how tricky they could be. That would also explain why the scum went after the masons, and not Mahaloth last night, I just assumed it was because they would get two town, and that it was worth more to them then the investigator. But, they might have done it since they also expected Mahaloth to be protected, and the masons not.
Totally forgot about that… That’s what I get for posting drunk, things like that slip my mind.