To the animal scum who killed three doctors in Yemen

[Una_Persson]

*Originally posted by litost *
**Anthracite
I appreciate the patiently composed reply.

I think all the reasons you mentioned for the apparent lack of coverage of condemnations are valid. But, I also think there is not that much press for outraged Muslims facing so-called death threats. It sure doesn’t look that skewed to me.**

Well, at least around here in the “heartland”, so to speak, one thing which has been greatly encouraging to me is that in general, the offenses against Muslims have been limited mainly to childish telephone threats and graffiti. Now, no one wants to get threats on their phone, and hateful graffiti is sick. But it’s much better than what it could be, or might be. It gives me hope that the haters are limited to a very juvenile lot which has little will or force to back up their threats.

Also, did local reporters bother meeting with Muslim leaders to take their statements? Even if local Muslim leaders spoke against it in a meeting convened in a mosque, would that be covered and published? There are too many variables. What are the advantages of such actions anyway? You seem to think it will influence reality in, say Yemen.

Well, selective reporting is always a possibility, I admit. But the thing about whether or not it has any influence in Yemen is…well, OK. I think I said this better in another thread, but I will try to re-state it. I feel that when you are an officer of your church or faith - be that church or faith Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu - then you have taken on a responsibility to weigh in and place where the beliefs and doctrines of your faith fit in (or don’t fit in) with those who claim to act on your behalf. That is - I feel that it is valid for a Catholic priest in Scranton to speak out against bloodshed in Northern Ireland, a Lutheran minister in San Diego to speak out against neo-Nazis who claim to be Lutheran in Germany, or a Muslim cleric in Lebo, Kansas to speak out against those who commit the acts in question in this thread.

I feel it’s a part of your job to be doing these things. However, I don’t run religions, so perhaps I should just recognize that it’s not my place to put my belief in responsibilities on others.

After a recent fatwa related to the beauty pageant, Nigerian Muslim leaders vehemently condemned it. You can obtain the links if you search this website.

I was in that thread, and I did complain at the time that there was little to no coverage of any condemnation - at first. IIRC, it took a while, but then there was condemnation of the riots.

In any case, the insinuation (based on a perceived lack of condemnation from an unidentifiable amorphous Muslim leadership for various acts of terror around the world) that there is worldwide support from mainstream Muslims for a fanatical group like Al-Qaeda (which operates under-ground) or for other acts of terror perpetrated by Muslims is preposterous. I sure hope you recognize that.

OK…here’s where you seem to be crossing the line suddenly, and without any reason. Where did I insinuate that? From my initial post:

If, in fact, it is found that the terrorist responsible for this claims that he did it for the glory of Islam, I’m certain that there will be condemnations of these atrocities by all major Muslim leaders throughout the World, and a reaffirmation that these acts of terror and violence against innocents must stop now. And that all true believers in the Religion of Peace will do all possible to prevent these acts from occuring again.

Or, maybe once again there will only be the Silence. Silence which is not explicit approval, but is certainly not explicit disapproval.

I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. It’s far too early to jump to conclusions.

I’ve explained about the Silence. The Silence does not mean explicit approval, nor does it mean implicit approval. What it means is that there is no statement, implicit or explicit, of disapproval.

Silence is not approval, explicit or otherwise. But nor is it disapproval in any way. And disapproval of these acts is what I want to hear.

I want people to stand up and say “Hey! Shitheads! That’s not what our faith is all about! We worship a faith which has been a proponent of peace, culture, learning, understanding, and love for about 1400 or so years - stop doing this shit and saying you’re doing it in the name of our faith!” Or words to that effect - maybe more urbanely phrased.

I want people to stop killing in the name of religion - any religion - more than anything.

I think given that it appears to me that you feel that I am or would be insinuating Silence from Muslim leaders as being approval of terrorism and Al Qaeda, even after I explained myself, that our conversation is also permanently over. It seems that the “anti-Muslim” label placed on me here is going to stick to me after all, and now I have to take serious action.

[litost]

*Originally posted by Anthracite *
OK…here’s where you seem to be crossing the line suddenly, and without any reason. Where did I insinuate that? From my initial post:

I’ve explained about the Silence. The Silence does not mean explicit approval, nor does it mean implicit approval. What it means is that there is no statement, implicit or explicit, of disapproval.

I think given that it appears to me that you feel that I am or would be insinuating Silence from Muslim leaders as being approval of terrorism and Al Qaeda, even after I explained myself, that our conversation is also permanently over. It seems that the “anti-Muslim” label placed on me here is going to stick to me after all, and now I have to take serious action.

No, I didn’t mean to say that you insinuated what I said. Clearly, I was laying out what your statements originally sounded like to me. If you read my post, I explicitly said that I was confident that you recognized the point I was making and hence was not insinuating it.

I understand where you are coming from, the frustration over mindless violence and bloodshed and the lack of any progress. Personally, I’d like to think that mainstream Muslim leaders in various communities with their collective voices can prevent Al-Qaeda or Al-Aqsa from recruiting new blood but I am skeptical.

[Duck_Duck_Goose]

Egad, Rider. :eek: English is your second language. I was joking. Well, how nice that you’ve managed to make a career writing articles in a language that is not your native tongue.

**And assuming on the very unlikely offchance that you were challenging my usage…to say that someone’s reputation precedes them, is very standard.

**You didn’t say that my “reputation” precedes me–you said that my “powers of insult” precede me.

DDG, your powers of insult precede you.

File for future reference: it’s my first language, and The Wrong Girl’s, and it is in no way “standard usage”. It’s a completely bizarre usage, that makes no sense. Which was why both of us said “huh?” And all you had to do was say, “Oops, I meant to say ‘reputation’ precedes you,” and the whole issue would be a non-issue.

What I meant was, that I was hardly surprised by his abusive post.

Oh, yeah, I’m sooooo abusive, I’m the Holy Terror of the Pit, even the Straight Dope Queens of Flame like Jarbaby and Diane and Byz cringe before my onslaughts, Fenris and Scylla pause and consider carefully before they post anything in the Pit–well do they fear the bite of the Duck’s Beak, the lethal slap of the Goose’s Webfoot Of Death.

Cites? Dear?

And, before you hand them over, could you clean them off a bit, 'cause when you pull crap out of your ass like that, it usually reeks. Sanitation, ya know.

And, er, not only are you evidently a putz in desperate need of a remedial English class, you also haven’t been paying attention–it’s “her” abusive post. Nit.

Oh, and when someone like The Wrong Girl nicely asks you for clarification, it’s really swell to insult her.

I did say that, but obviously not in sufficiently basic, monosyllabic terms for you to comprehend without elementary clarification.

Geez, if your assholery were any more massive, it would need an Army Corps of Engineers inspection certificate. All she did was ask you what you meant. Is that your normal reaction IRL when someone asks you for clarification? When you place an order at the driveup window, and the little voice says, “Could you repeat that, please?” do you deliver a torrent of sarcastic invective into the speaker?

You don’t give a shit about any of us, do ya? This MB is just your personal flaming playground, a venue for you to shoot off your mouth in cozy anonymity.

Other people get a journal for that, with the added advantage that nobody will ever post abusive comments like “putz” to them, but no, you decided to favor us with your presence.

Fine. Here we are, O Most Valuable Poster. Our combined pixels exist only to serve your pathetic and obviously life-threatening need for attention, in order that we may keep your golden tongue sounding here on the boards for months to come. Forget Polycarp–let’s have a MPSIMS fundraising sticky for Rider, to make sure he keeps posting here.

It’s unbelievable how much posturing goes on here for a supposedly intellectual message board.

Gee, you’re absolutely right. But you know, if you’d quit pretending to be an intellectual for whom words like “obfuscation” are “tired”, I think you’d find that the SDMB’s posturing problem would magically vanish.

Infant. :rolleyes: Does your mama know you’re using her computer?

[iampunha]

First: Duck Duck Goose, nice rack;)* And where exactly did Rider indicate that his paid writing was in English? Anth, Heloise and I were trying to establish that…

*Originally posted by Rider *
“you certainly were the first person to bring up your writing ability as worthy of renumeration.”

It’s remuneration.

I only said it to make a point to the girl who used her student credentials as a breast-beating device. I wish i hadn’t now. It’s unbelievable how much posturing goes on here for a supposedly intellectual message board.

Nice rebuttal. What are you, a graduate of the December School of Debate?

And The Wrong Girl was using her credentials in a valid way. You, OTOH, have yet to provide any evidence that you’ve been paid to write in the English language, and as such your “evidence” of your proficiency in said language are utter crap (cf. the part of my post discussing my media experiences and their relation to my French ability).

As for posturing, the word is posterior, whence you’ll want to stop pulling your posts.

*[sub]Hey, I figure this guy is so obsessed with gender, he’ll be sure to take note of a comment like that:D[/sub]

[Duck_Duck_Goose]

And where exactly did Rider indicate that his paid writing was in English?

Whoa, excellent point.

Maybe he works for Clonaid.

[iampunha]

And you’re welcome for the compliment, DDG

[Duck_Duck_Goose]

Copied and Pasted.

http://www.clonaid.com/

CLONAID™ will provide the world with proof of its achievement. An independent expert will certify that the clone is indeed a clone of the cell donor who is woman in her thirties.

< snip >

Last but not least, CLONAID™ is also selling an embryonic cell fusion system RMX568 that our scientists have developped themselves.

< snip >

“Cloning will enable mankind to reach eternal life. The next step, like the Elohim do with their 25,000 years of scientific advance, will be to directly clone an adult person without having to go through the growth process and to transfer memory and personality in this person. Then, we wake up after death in a brand new body just like after a good night sleep!” Raël

< snip >

Raël, with exceptional vision, allows us an extraordinary glimpse into an amazing future and explains how our nascent technology will revolutionize our world and transform our lives. For example, he describes how nanotechnology will make agriculture and heavy industry redundant, how super-artificial intelligence will quickly perform human intelligence, how eternal life in a computer will be possible whitout the need for any biological body, and much, much more.

uh huh. And I’m still trying to figure this one out.

http://www.clonaid.com/english/pages/products.html

A new cell fusion device specialized in embryonic cell fusion
Developed by the Clonaid™ scientific team

RMX 2010’s main features are:
• Generation of clear and stable pulses enabling direct fusion; something unseen in competitors’ devices
• A highly precise square wave is applied to the cell or embryo through a chamber or needles
• Operating range: 5 – 200 Volts, 10 – 990 µs, 1 – 10 repetitions with 1 – 990 ms period)
• A memory function enabling the storage of up to 4 fusion settings
• A foot switch allowing both of your hands to be available for operating other equipment

So you can stand there and do your cloning with the foot switch while you’re also surfing the Internet and eating chips, I guess.

[iampunha]

Or preparing cells for the cloning of men;)

[TwistofFate]

I am sorry Anth. You are not anti muslim, and I apologise for giving the impression that I thought you were. My words were out of line.

I now understand your point of view on the matter. It was my thick skull that has lead to this situation.

Please accept my apologies.

[TwistofFate]

of course not, but because its Muslim, its ok to read your own reaction into it, right?

this comment by myself is completely out of line. It was ill thought out and very much stronger than I had intended.

At no time has Anthracite ever expressed anything remotely hateful of Muslims, either in this thread, nor on these boards.

I apologise to you for any possible damage you feel your good name and reputation has suffered by my comments.

I am very remorseful for my actions. If there is a way I can make amends to you, please let me know.

TwistofFate.

[Una_Persson]

I accept your apology, TwistofFate.

And I am very sorry for the loss of your Grandfather. So sorry that even at the time last night when we were having our dispute and I was greatly affronted, I still posted a thread on the UnaBoard telling people to come over and express their condolences to you. Because that pain transcends arguments between us.

I fear death so much I’ve never gone to a funeral of one of my Grandfathers. And people tell me I am cold and heartless for not doing so. I wish you strength for dealing with the ordering and conclusion of a life.

[martin_ibn_martin]

*Originally posted by litost *
Lastly, I am not a Muslim, so may be you can pose these fears and questions in Martin’s thread (Ask a Muslim). **

Here I am. I hate getting into a thread 100+ posts in. Lots of drek to wade through. Wait! I’m in the Pit… Lots of SHIT!!!

hehe

Here are some links, if you care. I suspect that this sort of thing is actually rhetorical, rather than honest seeking of information.

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/islam/a101201.htm
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/islam/a102902.htm
http://www.isna.net/Library/khutbahs/Jihad.asp
http://www.whyislam.org/wtc.htm
Including the relevent Qu’ran verses that terrorists are ignoring

That’ll do for now.

Martin

[martin_ibn_martin]

*Originally posted by apotheosis *
** Religion of Peace[tm] **

WTF?

[Duck_Duck_Goose]

Martin, I’m guessing that Apotheosis is referring to this Great Debates thread, one of probably dozens on the subject that we’ve had ever since 9/11.

Islam, the religion of peace…

[martin_ibn_martin]

*Originally posted by Duck Duck Goose *
**Martin, I’m guessing that Apotheosis is referring to this Great Debates thread, one of probably dozens on the subject that we’ve had ever since 9/11.

Islam, the religion of peace… **

I’m familiar with the thread. It was the (ttm) but that torqued me off a bit. Unimportant and petty in a number of ways.

The “WTF” reaction still stands. I am not really the Pit Rant type.

Islamic dignity and all that.

Martin