I said Acehole was a “flaming hemorrhoid of idiocy”. Please be more careful in the future when atributing things that I did not say.
Huh? Weirddave, you ok? Fucknugget? 18-point-bolded froth?
We’re talking about people trying to get to the rally. Legal stuff, y’know? Trust me, you don’t know what you’re talking about – not only does the link not support your absurd accusation that the people in question were illegal marchers, but further, I was there and personally witnessed legal protestors and assemblers attacked by police protests. People in wheelchairs, middle-aged women, teenagers – all on the sidewalks, and all treated with violence for no reason.
And color me surprised by your level of hysteria – from the not-long-for-the-board Saen, sure, but you usually have some level of sense and moderation. What up?
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Heya Ace, how ya doin’? I’m still here, at least when I am not devising some way to kill college students.
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I’ll do it. A person who lies down in the street as part of a larger demonstration with the stated intention to disrupt the orderly flow of traffic in a congested city that is a known terrorist target is, himself, a terrorist and should be jailed for reckless endangerment to human life.
Hope that helps.
OK, Ace, can you defend this?
Every protest that causes this kind of attention keeps people away from NYC. Reduced tourism means fewer tourist dollars pouring into local businesses, lower tax revenues, etc. And this in a city whose tourism dropped like a rock after 9/11. And God knows y’all look like a bunch of idiots.
And, quite frankly, a traffic delay means a lot more to me than the war does. Yeah, I’m against it, and my husband is over there right now, but c’mon. Let’s measure Theory against Reality. The Theory is that the war is a bad idea, and it should end. I’ve got no problems with that. The Reality is, I’m stuck in traffic wasting gas and not doing anything productive. In other words, I’m stuck in just another fucking traffic jam.
Robin
Hey, jail is too good for known terrorists – just shoot 'em if they make you late to work.
Saen’ll help.
AWESOME!
Too many people sit around and bitch that the government isn’t listening to them, but most times it’s because their representative never hears from them. Organize! Do stuff more than writing some letter. Sure, it’s hard work, but it gets results.
Everything you mentioned is either a side-outcome or and intended outcome. What’s to disagree with?
Any event in NY has economic and social consequences, and yes, we may piss off a few people, though mostly everyone is entirely polarized at this point. These are unavoidable consequences in order to make our main point, which was to force people to consider that war does affect us. What we do overseas affects how people view us – which affects how many terrorists are produced.
Your traffic delay should be the very least of your very Real worries about the consequences of the war in Iraq.
Perhaps next time you’re so delayed, consider it a viewpoint-promoting sacrifice: Over in Iraq, we’re sacrificing our soldiers, in some cases, so as not to kill Iraqi citizens. If our military is willing to do that to make demonstrate the value of human life, how can we do less then to sacrifice an hour to visibly demonstrate to the world our objections to the war?
Those protestors are arguably putting their lives on the line to improve the U.S.'s image overseas and make you safer. By comparison, an hour in your Explorer isn’t that much to ask.
This was my initial response – you see, none of this makes me (or most people) late for work – we take subways. That’s just a dodge made by assholes such as yourself. It makes EMS late for heart attacks, FDNY late for fires and NYPD late for crimes. Someday, it just might make them all late for a dirty bomb in Rock Center. So kill them, I said. What’s a “die-in” without some authenticity?
Someone smarter than me convinced me that killing them requires leaving the body behind while an investigation goes on, etc. So it compounds the problem. Ergo, Reckless Endangerment is a better solution to the problem.
Liar. You know that NYPD will protect you.
This from the crowd who thinks driving Explorers is tantamount to terrorism in the first place and that the war is about oil. Hypocrite.
What, like the St. Patrick’s day parade? Damn Irish, putting getting drunk over our EMS workers. :rolleyes:
A parade with a permit (or a protest, as the legal one down 5th to WSP the other week) allows first-responders to plan alternate routes, set up cross-streets, etc.
You know that – you’re just obfuscating to try to justify the reprehensible, illegal and indefensible actions of the “die-in” crowd.
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So I guess we should forget about Osama and Saddam then, since apparently it’s the protesters who are the real terrorists. :rolleyes: :wally
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But it’s acceptable for George W. Bush and Tony Blair to engage in reprehensible, illegal and indefensible actions? Give me a break.
Except that 1) I don’t drive an Explorer, and 2) that hour I spend Promoting My Viewpoint is an hour I could be working to support my family. So forgive me for focusing on my mundane, humdrum life.
In any event, your “safety” cost me the chance to go to NYC this weekend. I was supposed to chaperone a field trip, but the trip was cancelled at the last minute because of the protest. The teacher leading the trip didn’t think it was safe to take 90 people into the city because of the protests.
Look. I’m not insensitive to the war, and what’s going on. My husband is currently over there, flying over Iraq. Every day, I check cnn.com to see if any planes have crashed or been shot down. In my mind, every soldier, sailor, Marine or airman who is killed is someone who has died over a specious cause; who probably didn’t have to die, and wouldn’t have but for the miscalculations and monomania of the current administration.
I just think there are better ways to show disapproval.
Robin
Oy, another sensible poster bites the acid dust of patriotism.
Clue phone, ring ring: The NYPD are happy to beat you for any and sometimes no reason, even if you are a legal protestor, much less a civilly-disobedient protestor (whom various ignorant and rabid people consider the equivalent of terrorists, right, Manhattan?)
Now I’m an old enough hand to not expect a Moderator to be necessarily sensible and consistent, but would it be an undue burder to ask you to read the rest of the friggin’ thread, including my multiple links before you wade in with the hysteria and the “liar” and the “hypocrite,” etc?
:smack: Oy.
Well, many of us do hear that position. I’d say about 75% of the protest groups I hear from are changing focus to not disrupt the lives of the innocents, as it were.
We’ll see how it goes; I see the minor disruption as one of the costs of upholding the amendments to the constitution. All of the freedoms under a Democracy have their costs, and I don’t see the costs imposed by this as being higher than the right to protest, and apparently our right to protest is being less challenged by the American public than it was during the Vietnam protests, so that’s something anyway.
And those 75% are people with home I have no complaint. The other 25% are assholes, and in a shocking revelation, I believe it’s safe to say that it’s that 25% which is drawing most of the ire here.
Ah, so now the protests are all about freedom of assembly, and not the war, is that it?
So still wondering about the answer to my question Ace…im not sure exactly where you stand on breaking the law to prove a point. Is destroying a government lab that experiments on animals ok as long as noone gets hurt? How about just deleting thier data? <that is simply assuming animal rights is your thing but insert objecters flavor of the day here>
The only problem I see with that is that to me, economic security takes precedence over loftier concepts. (Not that I think the Constitution is irrelevant, but I think you can see what I mean.) It’s hard to appreciate how great America is when I can’t feed my family, ya know what I’m saying?
Robin