Tonight's Mole II execution (spoiler tag used)

Cafe Society
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At least no one here is saying the Mole is Elavia. That would be too obvious. She’s being edited to appear mysterious and conniving.

Dorothy? Maybe. Her eating an apple in the opening credits, and the fact that Coop tends to eat often during challenges, could be a clue.

Bill? I don’t know yet. Given the telegram thing I’ll have to pay more attention to him next week.

Al seems too much into the game to be the Mole, like when he cussed Bribs and Myra (?) out for going to the bar. Then again, that could be strategery. :wink:

Katie? Well she cries at the drop of a cum rag (pardon my French). Maybe it’s that “Mole stress” thing that Kathryn went through last time around, but really, come on.

Rob (::swoon::slight_smile: seems to be flying under the radar, which could either be Mole-ish or strategic. (Remember, he’s the one who just doodles in his journal. And he’s the one who didn’t want the Mole’s journal to be read at breakfast.)

In any case, it’s still to early for me to take a guess. I didn’t guess Kathryn until the second-last episode last season. I really thought it was my boy Jim (::swoon::slight_smile: or Steven, who won. If this time around it’s Elavia, Dorothy, or Bribs, I’ll be totally disappointed and disillusioned.

Bear in mind that the players want the others to think they’re the Mole even if they’re not. That throws the others off.

Anyway, IMO, it’s the most intelligent and witty reality show on TV, and it’s a shame that it doesn’t get more attention and better ratings. The lowest common denominator just wants to be spoon-fed bitchfests, bug-eating. and people standing on poles for 16 hours. They don’t seem to want to watch a show where they have to actually think, deduce, and come up with hypotheses. I hate stupid people.

  • s.e.
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A musician. Thanks, tan.

Yeah, I like this a lot. I thought at first it was just another survivor show, but it’s definitely not.

The quiz seems hard. I wonder what the best way to do well on it is…Like do you pick a lot of random ones if you’re not sure, or do you pick one person who you think the mole is and center on them for every quiz? Probably it gets a bit easier when more people are eliminated, but it’s hard to believe there aren’t more ties. It just seems so…wow. How would you guys do it?

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At the beginning, you could certainly do the random thing. The quiz is full of questions like: “What kind of wine did the Mole have at dinner last night? a) White b) Red c)The Mole didn’t have wine.” You really have to pay attention to everything everyone does.

Near the middle of the game, though, would be a good time to single out one person and stick with them in terms of your answers to the quiz. Remember, last year, Jim and Steven both picked Kathryn as the Mole near the end of the game, and had been swapping information since day two or so. Thus their allian- I mean, coalition. :wink: Steven won by answering the final quiz with something like three more correct answers than Jim.

I hope they do the final three differently this year. Last time, Jim went first - it was obvious he wasn’t the winner even before his red thumbprint appeared. Then Steven went. Gee, I wonder who’s the winner, and who’s the Mole. As soon as Jim lost and Steven went next, it was clear Steven was the winner and Kathryn was the Mole.

I have to say, though, Kathryn’s entrance was pretty cool. :cool:

  • s.e.
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I think the reasons for suspecting Dorothy are pretty weak. The cake - if she was the Mole and wanted to get the Super-Secret Cake piece, why didn’t she grab it the first time the plate went around? Why go for it at the end, drawing attention to yourself? It makes no sense. Similarly, with the brainteasers, if she were the Mole, the smart thing to do would have been to simply fail to come up with the right answers. Then the suspicion would have been weaker, and spread across three people. Plus they’d be out the money.

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While I’m not making a case for Dorothy as the Mole, she did suddenly come through with the answers for the brainteasers at the last minute. That could have been to throw everyone off and make her seem the hero. But it goes both ways: her coming through at the last minute?. Hmmm.

And is it just me or did I hear a female voice say “Just pull the trigger” on last week’s episode? That was one of the “clues” about Kathryn being the Mole last time (Cartier watch challenge). I think if that had been a clue this time around, then it would be lame. They can’t expect every viewer to have watched the first installment.

What we can look forward to are better clues revealed in the final episode. Kathryn Price (the first Mole) has said she’d read the message boards and would see how many hypotheses people would put forth and debate, so when she was hired as a write for Mole II, everyone decided to put better clues in each episode. The “clues” the first time around were lame.

Remember, the clues are for the viewing audience, not the players…

  • s.e.
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scott evil said:

Oh, come on! Haven’t you ever experienced that “Eureka!” moment when working a puzzle, especially a word puzzle? Haven’t you ever played Boggle or Scrabble and stared at the letters forever only to suddenly have them all come together? That’s what happened to Dorothy. If she had been the Mole, there is no way she would have gone out of her way to correct two answers that they could have easily gotten wrong, giving them an extra $20,000 PLUS exemptions.

Instead, look at Bill. He was supposed to solve the fisherman money problem, but blew it. Dorothy pulled the right answer out of her hat. He was muttering about “stress”-related words with the jumbled word puzzle, which could have been to throw her off. But again, she pulled it out at the last second.

I don’t care a whole lot about what the hidden clues say. I think Bill is just plain acting like the Mole.

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I think Bill is the Mole too.

  • s.e.
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I think the Mole has to be Dorothy. The Eureka moment theory is implausible, because it happened twice, and both were “last second” eurekas. I feel this is highly unlikely.

As the Mole, Dorothy saw all the puzzles beforehand, and in the heat of the moment, she couldn’t resist blurting out the answers that she had seen.

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Well, tomrrow night we’ll atleast be able to eliminate one more player.

Smeghead, the pieces of cake were handed out (by Darwin I think). The contestants did not pick the pieces of cake. Myra did not take a piece of cake so there was one piece left over. It just happened to be the piece w/o a blueberry. You could say that makes Myra suspicious. OTOH, Darwin was handing them out so was he puposely not giving out the non-blueberry piece? Or did Dot know the last piece was the non-bb piece and decided she was going to take it?

Many questions and only one answer. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

I’m sure after tomorrow there will be more theories.

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The Controvert said:

I’m sorry to hear that this has never happened to you. But having had it happen numerous times personally, I see nothing at all suspicious about it.

Now that is simply ridiculous. The whole idea of being the Mole is to prevent the players from winning money. That takes a bit of self-control. I don’t think the Mole is just going to blurt out correct answers.

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But, David B, if the mole consistently stopped the players from getting money, s/he would draw attention to him/herself. As such, s/he would want to win the players some money, so that people would be disinclined to suspect him/her.

Example; two players discuss who the mole is (name chosen randomly):

Player #1: I think it’s Abigail
Player #2: Abigail? But she won us money in the last competition! Can’t be her!

Doing this would also draw attention to players who have legitimately not won any competitions, through their own mistakes, not any ulterior motive:

Player #2: No, I think it’s Samuel. He hasn’t won us anything even though he’s been in five games.

And while I have heard of and experienced “eureka” moments, they don’t occur twice in a row. The odds are just against that.

Myself? Dorothy. Not Katie, because she seems just too…to put it bluntly, stupid…to be the mole. This could be a diversion but I just doubt it. Either Dorothy is the mole, or, as others have said, she is acting like she is as a tactic for the game.

(Ala ‘Down Periscope’): I LOVE this game!

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The thing about Dorothy and the brain-teasers is that she could have come up with the correct answers the first time around instead of pulling them out at the last instant on the second try. If she is the Mole and simply wanted to look good she could have come up with one answer and not the other. This would still have given them an extra 10k in the pot (makes her look better) but would not have given Bill and Rob their exemption. (If she is the Mole she doesn’t need the exemption.)

During the quiz, Rob makes a comment that Bill is good with numbers and that Dorothy is good with words. If so, it makes sense that Dorothy could have pulled out the word at the last minute (we did see her working her way towards it). A better question might be if Bill is so good with numbers, why did he miss the fisherman question so badly?

OTOH, Dorothy has won two exemptions. Now, the Mole doesn’t need the exemptions but it could also be that by getting the exemptions it explains why she never seems to get executed and prevents a real player from getting an exemption.

A few other observations. Al and Heather seem to be getting a lot of screen time (Al especially) which may mean they stick around for a while. Katie is also getting her share. (And, there is also her stuffed cow, bullsh…, I mean, Meadow Muffin.)

Rob is definitely staying well below radar; could be just his style of play, though.

Someone made the statement that Bribs and Heather are spending a lot of time together. Would it make sense for the Mole to get too close to another player?

Al gave Katie the exemption because he thought she was the weakest player. Wouldn’t the Mole want to keep weak players in the game? A weak player will disrupt the pot on their own without needing the Mole’s intervention and is less likely to put the clues together as to who the Mole really is. Also, Al seems to be becoming a leader for the group; a perfect position for the Mole. Just a thought.

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Caeser’s Ghost said:

Great Caeser’s Ghost! Of course the Mole doesn’t want to be suspected. But that doesn’t mean s/he goes out of his/her way to GIVE them money when they could reasonably have lost it. Dorothy had already gotten the other word puzzle right, giving them $10,000. If she wanted to avoid suspicion, she didn’t need to do anything else.

Not at all. Like I said, it happens to me all the time in playing various games. The mind keeps working at it 'til it makes sense.

Also remember that she was not the main one working on the fisherman money puzzle. Bill was doing the number problems, she was doing the word problems. She got the right answer the first time she worked on it.

Or none of the above…

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A few people have mentioned that the Mole might want to get an exemption to prevent a real player from getting it. Could someone explain why they would want to do this? Someone’s getting kicked out every week - how would the game be affected if the Mole had the exemption rather than a player? Seems to me, in fact, that the Mole would want the players to have exemptions, as follows:

Let’s divide all the players into two categories, smart and dumb. Let’s say a dumb player gets an exemption, thus staying on another week. Then a smarter player gets kicked off - good for the Mole. If a smart player gets an exemption, a dumb player gets kicked off, same as if there were no exemption. No change for the Mole. If the Mole has the exemption, then the dumb player gets offed again. So. Any flaws in my logic?