Just couldn’t do it, could you? Couldn’t just make a good point, and let that be it. Liberal, old top, I worry about what you think of me about as much as you worry about what I think of you.
Dio, 'luci fail to see qualitative difference in culpability between Snow and Bush. I asked where (if ever) does the line get drawn. you quoted my comments (which were atttempting to draw that line) - that’s why ‘at the same level’ is pertinent.
Well, I dunno, Wring, this looks like it leads into some pretty persnickety parsing. “Qualitative”? Snow has to be less culpable, simply because he had less actual power. On the gripping hand, if he walked away from the Podium straight to the WaPo office, and said “This is bullshit, and here’s why” might it have made a difference? Probably not, the game was rolling before he suited up, but I sure don’t recall any caveats or warnings when he was working for Fox Gnaws directly.
As for culpability for we, the people, fucked if I know. Pretty sure I was on record from Day Minus One against this shit, told anyone who would listen, so on and so forth. Maybe I could have done more? Maybe.
But it was done by our gov’t, on our dime, by our troops, and with the enthusiastic support of large portions of the population. So there has to be some culpability, but quantifying that is not for mortals. Or even mods.
ah, but you and Dio have. I’m wondering how far does it go? Every press secretary? their staff? etc
I demur, or I quibble. Surely there is some culpability? But what is the metric to apply? If we start from we are all somewhat culpable, being Americans, and we become more culpable the closer we get to the centers of power, we can say that factor “C” increases, but thats about it, we can’t reasonably say “73.6% culpable”. Or can we?
Maybe I’m missing your point?
So it’s not about the facts after all, but about your ego? In that case, you’re not only handsome but a powerful man. I can see that you’re a force to reckon with. It is clear to me that you were put under a charmer’s spell when you defended comparisons of Goebbels to Snow. No one can blame you. It was our fault as a society.
Perhaps your example of egoless purity will serve to guide me.
on the one post (303), such quantifying is not for us mortals, yet you’ve continued to place the same levelof culpability for Snow (who was Press Secretary for a short time) as primary players, and cementing it w/comparison to Goerbels (a primary architect throughout Hitler’s reign).
that’s nuts. and wrong.
No, that’s what you say I said. You take my words and warp them to fit your preconceptions.
Not being quantifiable, no objective metric is possible. I simply don’t accept that Snow has no culpability, that he is merely the innocent mouthpiece. Because something is not quantifiable does not mean it does not exist.
oh please, I’ve not claimed Snow has no culpability, but you have defended the comparison to Goebels.
And Goebbels can be compared to Snow. Everyone here has compared them, all agreeing that Goebbels’ culpability is far, far greater than Snow’s; some of us maintain that their positions are still significantly overlapping, and others maintain that the comparison, while nominally valid, is absurdly disproportional. But it seems beyond question that the two men can be, and have been, compared to each other.
Apparently, I’m serving as your excuse to be irrational.
Snow and Goebbels did not “have the same job”, differing only “in scale”. no where fucking near. they were both white males, in that way it’s a fair (if meaningless) comparison.
Anyone can be compared to anyone in that sense. Dio can be compared to Goebbels. Both are cold hearted bigots with a reckless disregard for human suffering. But it’s just not a useful comparison precisely because of the matter of scale — one being a major player in one of history’s most evil and murderous regimes and the other just a gnat on a message board. I think when people say there’s no comparison, they mean there’s no meaningful comparison that leaves Goebbels and Snow with anything more in common than the sphericity of the Sun and a tennis ball when they are likewise compared.
Posts that you disagree with are not thread-shitting.
Bravo! Best post ever!
Come, come. Let us not be disingenuous. They were both willing spokesmen, often apologists, spinners, and propagandists for governments that deliberately manipulated facts in order to justify declaring specious but ruinous invasions of countries whose policies they opposed in a misguided attempt to restore national pride and other imperialistic reasons. That’s a little closer than both being white males.
there are no shortage of such folk, including many who voted for Bush, but held no office. Goebbels had far more role in Hitler’s regime and from the start throughout the term
the differences are many and large, far, far far outweighing similarities.
Official spokemen for the Bush White House? There have been what? Four? Five? There’s a serious shortage of such folk.
Especially since yesterday.
No, not everyone here has compared them. In fact, I spent the better part of this afternoon pointing out what a fucking asinine equivalence was being made.