I never said that Einstein was not quoting Brewster 
To be fair, he only does that because he’s an unrepentant asshole.
Oh fuck you, you disingenuous piece of shit. Telling me that my words - which were in no way somehow pro-rape or anti-rape survivors - tells how much I actually hate rape victims is a grave insult, and your “I said it indirectly enough without spelling it out without being modded so it wasn’t an insult!” justification is bullshit and you know it. Incidentally, whether or not the mods allow a personal insult to me is not a good indicator of whether someone actually insulted me - they allow people to personally insult me all the time well and beyond what they typically allow.
My point is rather simple, and it was stated in several different ways, so I don’t think you could have misinterpreted without really trying to do so, which I think you did.
I gave no specific position on threads about rape specifically. What I said was that in a forum designed for open discussion like GD, no topics should be automatically forbidden from intellectually honest discussion. That includes everything, including the issue of rape.
Now, my position is in the highest traditions of open, intellectual debate and your position is in favor of making things that offend you not be allowed to be discussed anymore. Usually, the people trying to censor discussion are bad guys. So you wanted to try to make me the bad guy instead by saying “SenorBeef hates rape survivors!” and implying that I’m somehow pro-rape.
But I would have defended against a rule about topic censorship about any particular unpleasant thing, since I oppose blanket cenorship like that in a place like GD. So, for example, if someone had asked “what could the Germans have done to make the holocaust even more effective?” as a thought exercise, I would’ve supported the right for that thread to exist too - again, with the caveat that it was intellectually honest discussion and not trolling.
If it had gone that way, I’m sure you’d be saying “wow, SenorBeef hates Jews and gays and Romani at the disabled and wishes the nazis had succeeded”
If someone created a thread entitled “When might it be justified to drive drunk?”, again I would be against censoring it simply because some people on the boards were victims of drunk drivers and found it offensive. And you’d be saying “wow, SenorBeef supports drunk driving and hates the people who are victims of drunk drivers!”
Do I need to keep making examples? I could do hundreds of these. Just because I do not want discussions to be banned because they might offend people does not mean that I’m pro-whatever topic you can come up with and hate the victims of whatever that topic is.
And I suspect you know that. And I suspect that you maligned my intentions because you didn’t want to argue the positions on its merits, you didn’t want to be the guy to say “no, there should be no open discussion of ideas, things that I am uncomfortable with should be banned”, so instead you made the whole discussion a personal attack on me and a referrendum on how anyone who disagrees with your censorship thinks rape is justifiable, is engaging in rape fantasies, and hates rape victims.
What you view as being a “pompous self-righteous asshole” was simply me responding to your insults that I was somehow pro-rape or anti-rape victims when you have no intellectually honest way of justifying such a position.
The world is a better place when we can discuss any topic, if that discussion is honest and in earnest and has the motives of exploring both the internal and social bounds of our thoughts and ethics. I am not advocating going to a fucking rape survivors group and allowing people to start discussions about situations in which rape might be the least bad option - that is an inappropriate venue for such a thing, obviously. And I certainly don’t want to push such discussion to places where it’s supported because those people are actually hateful, like incel forums or some shit, because then it’s not actually an intellectual debate but an experience in sharing hate.
There should be a middle ground - a place where people can go to have discussions about anything, even if it’s an uncomfortable topic, and expect a certain degree of intellectual rigor and intellectual honesty, where people can simply remove themselves to the discussion if they are uncomfortable with it. That place is, and has generally been, GD on this forum. Making GD a place where we ban topics because it might hurt people’s feelings (and you guys are wildly inconsistent on this point - rape is forbidden but torture and murder and genocide are just fine) works against having places for open discussions. Shutting down any discussion that might offend people, when they are conducted with intellectual honesty, in the appropriate place, and people have the option to remove themselves from the situation or not seek it out, is bad for the world. It’s a decline in intellectualism and understanding.
Ima stop your bloviating wall of text right there, because that’s not what I said, and if you decided to interpret me that way to stop yourself from the slightest sort of introspection, no wonder you’re so insufferable.
Fuck off, slug.
Now that’s the mean girl I know.
That’s nonsensical. No one is forced to click and type in a thread. Adults should have agency.
You are lying. Your entire premise is that I showed my true intentions towards rape victims, which was, at best, to not give a shit about them at all, but implied that I disdained them.
Who are you performing for, here? Your words and intent are plain to see.
Incidentally, you guys that are like “I didn’t come on a message board to read people writing a lot!” are the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet. You’re declaring victory based on how verbosely someone refuted your points, which is fucking childish. “You wrote a lot about how I was wrong, guess I win!”
You basically did and because you are siding with the unmentionable clique it goes unchallenged.
I’m a rape victim, and your “easily offended” phrasing was disdainful. LHoD was perfectly on point with that.
Hey, don’t go insulting Slug.
I fucking hate that particular Slug and his work, so even that works.
You should recognize the game by now.
Don’t support your case with a million cites and explanation? Lazy
Use cites and explanation? Cites are inherently flawed and TLDR
Find incontrovertible proof of inability to read own rules? Rules lawyer.
Point out buddy system? Forbidden and/or off topic.
Do you go to places that are dedicated to open discussion of any topic, click on threads about rape, and then get offended by it and demand they be shut down? Maybe “easily offended” isn’t the best description - seeking out material that offends you, maybe?
I have traumas of my own, but I’ve never gone somewhere like GD and told people that they can’t discuss that issue. How would you describe the difference in the way I handle it versus how someone who demands that the discussion be shut down handle it? Maybe “easily offended” is not the best descriptor, but you get my point.
Why so much hate in your heart?
So “unmentionable” you can only mention them every other post. What a fucking no-trick pony you are.
Nothing wrong with a little hate for hateable things. I’m not some fucking milksop, idiot.
If you find it easier to argue against what you wish I had said than to argue against what I actually said, then … well … I won’t stop you.
But it doesn’t reflect well on you.
Similarly, it doesn’t surprise me … at all.
You and the Cephalopod somehow invoked the Wrath of the Mods, huh? Have you tried sacrificing a goat in penance?
(Incidently. I completely understand your point about Max’s thread, and in theory I even agree. But as noted theory is not practice, and what benefit we draw from chatting about a particularly extreme hypothetical in order to deepen our understanding of morality (or, let’s be honest, pass some time and shoot the shit) is not worth the harm that this particular topic causes. How you prioritize these two goals - discussing the topic and avoiding harm - decides whether you are being an ass or not)
GD is not one of those places, so your entire tedious argument dies right there.
Also, one didn’t have to click on the topic to see the shitty title that was the whole spawning point for this kerfuffle.