Yes, exactly like the folks that want the Pit changed!
It’s a happy middle ground, well staked out and defended.
This exposes the problem with the argument that the ultra-rich need to feel threatened for things to change. Those with bunkers are not the ultra-rich. The ultra-rich will get on their private jets (and rockets) and go to their islands, or other countries that will welcome them (and their bank accounts) with open arms. The merely rich will hide in their bunkers until the food runs out. The barely rich and well to do will be eaten first.
You continue to misrepresent the point. Good job, I guess, being disingenuous.
“It would be nice if the ultra-rich felt threatened, so maybe they’d support change” != “…the ultra-rich need to feel threatened for things to change.”
Because the ugly truth–what certain elements in our society are really afraid of–is that if enough of us come to realize that we don’t actually need the ultra-rich to agree to anything, what they "feel "won’t matter at all. Because as Ben Shapiro and his followers are fond of observing, “Facts don’t care about your feelings.” And the fact is they, the ultra-rich, are outnumbered. We don’t need them to be afraid of that. If enough of us get together, we can just snap our collective fingers together and make it so that no one is ultra-rich anymore. All without violence. Except of course in the sense that all political action in favor of one system over another is violence of a sort.
You have managed to fit a remarkable amount of nonsense into a tiny white box.
My final thought on the discussions of trauma that some people have experienced boils down to this:
Many people have said that trauma sufferers can just stay out of the threads that discuss that trauma. But its not always that easy. Even just a thread title being something like “is rape ever justified?” is going to be a trigger to some people. I would imagine that, if I were a sexual assault survivor, I wouldn’t feel comfortable opening a forum that may include a thread about the exact trauma I may be suffering from. And I sure as hell wouldn’t feel welcomed.
This. And being triggered is not being bothered of being annoyed, it’s involuntarily experiencing the pain and fear and disgust again. However this thread is a good example of how things play out in larger society, with people who are lucky to have never experienced trauma nor are close to someone who has basically not listening to survivors because they don’t want to hear. If they did, they’d have to either mend their ways or concede that they simply do not care enough about someone else’s pain to allow it to interfere with their pastimes.
As for the freedom of speech argument, you’re allowed to bring this up as a fun topic of discussion, I’m allowed to thereby conclude you’re a dick who doesn’t get it and doesn’t want to. And if I’m correct that’s exactly what happened here, with the latter POV getting more traction.
That’s twice now (at lest) that you have stopped making substantive arguments and reacted instead by throwing up sand. I guess the clinic is over and I have a clearer understanding of just how much weight to give your arguments in the future.
You are not an honest interlocutor.
Stop making fatuous comments and perhaps next time there will be something worth discussing.
I’m sorry, I’m not allowed to argue unless you pay.
Yes, you are.
Look, I’m not arguing until you pay. (tum tee tum de dum)
What centrists like Quicksilver ignore about the many anti-intellectual positions of the right wing of today.
Which anti-intellectual right wing position have I ignored?
Put another way, which intellectual progressive position litmus test have I failed in order to be considered a card carrying member of the club?
:sigh:
It is not that you miss the positions, you miss the clear chasm that is there. It is time to realize also that the right wing is convincing many centrists that it is not their fault that that chasm is there.
So in your attempt to continue to fall down, I have noticed that you claim to understand that both sides can be bananas, but then you maintain that positions from nutpicks from many on the left apply to all of the left.
The result is a constant refusal to see the harm the current anti-intelectalism that most of the right currently causes, it is like when you hang to a CRT opinion of Kendi as it would apply to all the papers published that showed evidence about the systemic racism that is still present in the US in an attempt to dismiss the whole of CRT, while ignoring what the right (and usually white) governors and congress guys are listening to the extreme right to make laws that do cause harm to teachers or professors that are involved in it.
I choose to believe this is you boxing his ears.
Who is “you” in this example? Me, or the generic “you”?
That was you in the “Another Critical Race Theory thread” and then, it is sad to see you fall into that missed middle elsewhere. The point here is that, most of the trolls are also of the anti-intellectual kind, and one has to also reject the framework that they use to also confuse centrists, leading centrists into inaction against the ones that are actually causing harm in the US right now, while pretending that they are not using ignorance in their arguments.
You don’t have to go that far afield. Right now in America, politicians are actively working to make it illegal to teach significant elements of America history in schools because it doesn’t support their hyperpartisan agenda. Demanding a state-approved version of history is pretty oppressive.
If you say so.
I dunno - no one has obsessed over “Wokism” here more than you, and you’ve shown no signs of flagging.
Congratulations - you’ve just given the standard excuse for oppressors to justify their oppression. They block every constructive and peaceful means for oppression to be ended, and then when - inevitably - less constructive and peaceful means are employed they blame the victims, claim this proves they were right to oppress such violent scofflaws…and then they double down. And thus it has always been - rich against poor, white against black, etc etc etc until something breaks.
iiandyiiii is, as already repeatedly stated, merely pointing out a rather common historical trend - that if oppression does not end by peaceful means, it will inevitably end by violent ones. The threat comes not from him but from history, and some would do well to learn it. The result may rarely be what the mob wants, but it also tends not to end too well for the people the mob come for.
Well then, I suppose it will end by violent ones. Be sure to tell the mob their grievances aren’t legitimate when they come for you.