Yes-I was pointing out that this was Jester21’s so-called “secret evidence.” I wasn’t mocking you, but him making a big deal out of nothing.
Oh, for the love of Kdapt. That’s his definite proof that Tuba “acted solely in a self-serving vindictive manor to lash out?”
What a complete tool you are, Jestie. And a fucking coward.
You know, is it really necessary to be evil to be removed as a mod? Call me crazy, but were I in charge I would say this shows a monumental lack of judgement and remove the mod privelages for good. Really, it’s not like everyone here gets to ban people and close threads, it’s a privelage reserved for those who are deemed especially fit for the task. Incompetence alone should be a reason for dismissal. I don’t see any grounds for banning though, since from what I’ve garnered* the outing took place on another forum.
*Yes, that’s right, I don’t give two shits about board politics and haven’t been keeping detailed notes.
Exactly. And, andros, even though I’m totally disgusted by the whole affair and think Tuba should either step down, or be dismissed from her position, even I don’t believe she acted out of malice, per se. More out of anger-she was angry and disgusted and wanted to lash out. I don’t think she was calculating and evil, just pissed off and impulsive. We’ve all lashed out in anger, and it doesn’t make us evil.
In some situations, however, it DOES happen in such a way that we must bear the consequences of doing so, and I believe this is one of them.
A copy of emails sent from the RSO to his intended victim isn’t evidence? If not, why not?
Not quite the section-subsection cite I asked for, but close enough. One may presume that harassment is indeed a crime of some sort in California. But do you contend that posting a registered sex offender’s publicly-available information from the sex offender registry is, by itself, harassment?
The FAQ is not the law. Jeez, doesn’t anybody read statutes anymore?
The FAQ omits that the provision in Megan’s law that this refers to – subsection (i), IIRC – makes it perfectly clear that the “use” of such information for purposes other than protecting a person at risk – which, of course, is exactly what TD’s post indicated she believed she was doing – is not a criminal act at all, but instead creates a cause of action for civil liability, allowing the registered sex offender to recover his actual damages proximately caused by the unauthorized use. The registered sex offender in our particular instance has no legally cognizable damages. No harm, no foul, no lawsuit.
Yes, that’s what I said. Now kindly point me to the misdemeanor or felony that you believe to apply to this situation, or stop fucking harping on Megan’s fucking law already.
(Not you in particular. I’m just trying to stop this legally-baseless line of argument before it gets wrongly repeated for the next 10 pages.)
Except, WE do not know if that exists, do we?
What? He’s out $7.48!
For me the main problem is that Tuba stuck her nose in what should have been a criminal investigation. I just don’t know who she thought she was protecting. As noted, he had outed his past on the LJ before the personal info was posted. She was already in direct correspondence with the SDMB member who was the supposed target.
And I pretty much agree with post 523 by laigle and said as much a few pages ago. I guess I won’t bump this thread anymore as I accept it as a done deal for now, which I also said already.
You know, this has moved beyond ridiculous.
The “powers that be”, have stated that none of our personal information is available to them. Your credit card or PayPal information is encrypted and only accessible to the Chicago Reader. The only information the admins/mods here have that is not available to the board in general is hidden email addresses. StageManager’s email was NOT hidden, it was posted in his SDMB profile.
TubaDiva lost her temper, over an issue that is admittedly a “hot button” for her…and for MOST of us… abusing and taking advantage of children. And she posted to an off-board site, linking to publicly available information about a person who was a registered sex offender. If she had done this as a regular person, instead of using her signature as “Administrator of the Straight Dope Message Board”, there shouldn’t have been ANY issue as far as this board is concerned. If I had done it, I might have had people throw tomatoes at me, but all I would have gathered was some enemies. Which, in the interest of protecting children, would have been worth it.
She lost her temper, for what I consider to have been a good cause, and made a mistake by ACTING ON HER LOST TEMPER. Yes, she shouldn’t have done it. Yes, it was a major mistake. Yes, she screwed up. Yes, administrators should not lose their temper and Yes it had better not EVER happen again.
But for heaven’s sake…after this major storm of a thread, after ALL this sturm and drang…do you really think there is any possibility that she would ever be stupid enough to repeat her mistake? She may not be perfect, but she is certainly not stupid.
If you have lost faith in the administration of this board, If you don’t trust the CR to keep your CC info encrypted, if you just have an axe to grind?..then by all means find another message board home.
Because this is starting to sound more like hysteria than actual valid concern.
Scotti, it’s not that I don’t trust her with my CC, or any other info, it’s the bigger picture-can we trust her NOT to lose her temper, to let her emotions affect her decisions here? Because this isn’ t the first time she’s done that, as I pointed out.
I can understand WHY she was upset-but since she IS an admin of this place, she should have known better. She was pissed and yes, lost her temper and admitted that at the time she didn’t care. But she still doesn’t seem to see the seriousness of her action.
Sometimes, even if what we did was a mistake, and we didn’t mean to do harm, we still have to suffer the consequences. And sometimes they aren’t pleasant. But that’s life.
scotticher, it’s so juicy I can’t resist:
Heh. More things change… 
I’m a newly paid member. Been reading the boards for years. Had the books since they first came out. Hell, it’s been long enough that I’m not sure a book was even published when I first started enjoying “The Straight Dope” in alternative newspapers.
AFAIK, or can recall… TubaDiva has been there. UncleBeer has been around. Polycarp was there. Bosda blah blah was there. Qadop whatever was there. Others, whose names I now forget have been there. People who probably don’t -want- me mentioning their names were there. Be that as it may…they were there. Part of what makes the SDMB what it is, for good or for ill, they were there. Guinastasia or whatever your name is… your name doesn’t register with me except as an outspoken member against “the way things were recently”. In the pantheon of posts “I shall remember” and “reasons I finally joined”… those that have posted against TD seem shrill and small. Those in favor of td’s return, whether in truth they be toadying sycophants or not, strike me as the kind of people I wish to hang with. These are the people that got me off the fence and committing my pittance of dollars toward real membership.
On a more personal level… not meant for critical analysis… Blue Ruin… suck my dick, cuz I’m sure you must be a pro.
Oh, I think she knows she screwed up.
Part of the problem here is that it is not possible for anyone to actually discuss all of the facts pertaining to the situation that caused her to lose her temper and do what she did. And it is never going to BE possible for anyone to go into it. There is a child who was approached who has to be protected. That is not going to change. It would be wrong to do so. Even if the child involved was willing to have the facts to be placed here, for all the world to see. It would be wrong.
Jenny did the best she could to handle this situation off-board, and for various reasons that I cannot and will not go into, there was nothing more that could be done. But, she tried. She DID spend untold hours with various law inforcement agencies trying to handle this.
Frankly, IMHO, law enforcement let her (and all of us, but mostly the child) down for various reasons. So when SM posted his whiney appeal to the SDMB community about “why was I banned,” she snapped. She lost her temper. Again frankly, if I had followed exactly the same path that Jenny did, I might have snapped too.
I think she has learned her lesson, and I don’t think that she deserves what she is getting from this community.
Ah, so now it’s a popularity contest?
Make an argument with some sense. That’s about as stupid as the “Join Date” spittle flying on the first page of this thread…we wouldn’t want to go by that with you now, now would we? What about post count? Nope. See, the thing is, none of those things actually matter when there are real issues to discuss. That’s one of the reasons I like this place as much as I do: Postcounts and join dates don’t seem to play into things as much as they do other places. I’d like to keep this place from becoming a huge popularity contest.
“Shrill and small”? How do you think you come across to those of us who HAVE been here for a year or two or five, no matter how much our names don’t “register”? And yet we take your opinion as it is because that’s the way things are done here. If you’d “been reading the boards for years” I’d think you’d realize that.
Oh well let me be the first to welcome you and accuse you of sock puppery.
I kid, I kid.
This thread is addictive. NOW I’m going cold turkey.
(my previous message was for meanoldman, obviously)
I’m sorry, perhaps I have lost my brains tonight. Or perhaps my sense of humor? IOW, 'splain to me your point, please?
To answer the OP, I’m fucking thrilled about it.
I wonder how much of her level of hot-buttonness comes from the fact that an RSO lives across the street from her.
It wasn’t about protecting children, or she wouldn’t have made that bitchy-as-hell ‘Bet you won’t give it to me, either.’ comment.
Which makes it all the worse, in my opinion.
Pardon me if I’m not just going to take your, or her, word for it.
No more so than her original actions.
And proved just what a vicious bitch she can be.
That doesn’t make me feel any better about her, only worse about you.
Well, I don’t think anyone here has any sympathy for Stagemanager, Scotti. I sure as hell don’t. And if what was alleged actually happened, then I truly feel for the kid he targeted.
But…Tuba’s big blow up gave him even MORE fuel, because he’s constantly bragging about how it was nothing, because the police never contacted him. And the rest of us are tired of hearing him go on and on about the whole deal.
And the admins of this board don’t give a shit about the whole thing, they don’t CARE that we’re concerned over the way this place is run, and they probably wouldn’t even have done jack shit if we hadn’t kept at them. And that pisses a lot of people off.