With all due respect, you are wrong.
I asked TubaDiva a direct question in the now-closed ATMB thread. She not addressed it in any way, shape or form. That is what I am asking for.
I move that this thread be closed. :wally
Can we agree on the following?
Garfield226 started a thread here after the ATMB thread was locked. He was looking for an answer and clarification to an issue that he (and others) view as being unresolved. Tuba’s out of town - so hence no answer will be forthcoming until Monday or Tuesday (if at all). The easiest & quickest way for him to ‘STFU & drop it’ would be to wait to see if his request for a reply is forthcoming.
Unless you feel Garfield226 doesn’t deserve a response - and I can’t see why anyone would feel that way about someone who’s been here 7 years - you shouldn’t be posting to this thread.
Everytime someone recommends he shut his face or turns off his computer, it makes it less likely the people he’s seeking clarification from will choose to respond. Taking wild-ass-guesses on someone else’s mindframe will just reinforce an attitude that other’s will always be to offer a defense by proxy. And who would you be more likely to want to satisfy if you were the one being asked to clarify your position: Your detractors - or your defenders?
Garfield, you should get an answer, but you sound like a petulant child here and you’re not doing yourself any good.
I’m posting this as a poster, not a Moderator, although I can’t post without some influence of my experience here as a moderator.
I’d sure as Hell hate to be an Administrator on this board. I don’t think I could divorce myself enough from my personal feelings to be a robot. I know this doesn’t directly address your concerns in the present matter, Garfield, but real life is imperfect.
And I know that it’s not about the $7.50–probably chump change to you.
I simply want to express my poster position that I think you’re wrong about suggesting that tuba and Dex aren’t fit to be Admins on this board. While you may disagree with their policy positions, (and, you know what–I, as a poster, do also sometimes), they do a pretty good job overall. Not perfect, not by a long shot. But they generally do a pretty good job for someone who does it as a labor or love(please don’t bring up the “modest stipend” in relation to Jenny’s duties as Moderator/Administrator).
You may now return to your personal quest.
Of course not. They are, at the very least, equally annoying. Reeder’s posting may have been more frequent, but he gets some slack for posting about something that actually mattered. It’s a message board. Complaining about “injustice” here makes you look like a schmuck. Continuing to complain long after its been made clear that you are not going to get the resolution you demand makes you look like an idiot. You don’t like how the boards are run, I suggest you use the one tool at your disposal to effect change: your feet. Don’t keep paying for this “substandard” service and go elsewhere. As the mods are, undoubtably, as sick of your whining as I am, I’ll bet you could even get a refund on your last resubscription fee.
Yeah, you’re right. It was shortly after I woke up and found the ATMB thread closed, and I was still pissed off. Hopefully as time progressed my replies became more mature.
While I’m posting, I also wouldn’t mind an answer to this:
Where? I saw people disagreeing with her, telling her she was wrong. I probably went the farthest, with the statement that later became the title of this thread. But are those “vile” insults as both a poster AND a mod? I don’t think so (and the fact I wasn’t warned (or even gently told to back it off a little) bears that out). So where were the “vile” insults that led to the closing?
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I appreciate your opinion, samclem, as well as your ability to distinguish between your roles as moderator and poster. It may come as a surprise, but I actually agree with your opinion that TubaDiva has done a pretty good job overall, if you’re looking at the past eight-or-however-long-she’s-been-here-years. Doesn’t matter, and I’ll tell you why.
Analogy: Even the best, most upstanding member of the community has to abide by the law. When the best, most upstanding member of the community breaks the law, sure, maybe there’s consideration made, since they’re the best, most upstanding member of the community. That was TubaDiva – last year. Once the best, most upstanding member of the community starts to show signs of personal failure, most people start to not consider them the best, most upstanding member of the community anymore. They catch fewer breaks. With good reason, in my opinion. Eventually, they’re down here with the rest of us, in terms of accountability. That is TubaDiva, now.
Oh right, I forgot how likely it was that GW was going to step down based on Reeder’s rants. You win.
You don’t like these threads, I suggest you use a couple tools at your disposal, namely the mouse and your ignore list. I’ve already explained why I’m staying. If you don’t agree, you’re perfectly welcome to your opinion. As I am to mine.
As the OP of the last closed thread on this subject, I’d just like to point out that I agree with samclem. The mods certainly make mistakes, and they should be taken to task for them, but even if we were to assume the very worst motivations for TubaDiva I think she’s still capable of being in her position of power, and doing a good job of it. At the most this is just a case of improving, not salvaging, the board.
Ditto.
Hey Garfield226, I sympathize with your situation. Not that I have a problem with Tubadiva, or any other current moderator. I don’t. But there was one moderater, very long ago (who shall remain nameless, of course) that I had a BIG problem with. And he had a problem with me, too. He shut down my threads because he didn’t like 'em, and sent me several emails threatening to have me banned, etc. He was on a total power trip, and the other board members and moderators adored him, so there was no help available there.
What did I do? Simple. I merely decided that it would NOT affect me. I made up my mind to stay, and ignore this person, and even pretend that I liked him. That’s it, nothing else.
A few weeks later, he resigned his position as moderator, and later disappeared from the SDMB completely.
I’m not suggesting that the two events had anything to do with each other…but, they might. Still, this kind of action only works if Tubadiva truly is singling you out for harassment. Which, I don’t see. In that case, if you can’t find a way to co-exist, then the person who needs to leave the board is YOU.
I agree with you totally, and commend you for posting this.
I know this doesn’t answer the most important concerns of Garfield.
We, as mods and Admins, are all about improving the board. We wouldn’t do this for free if we weren’t. I spend 30-40 hrs/week on this board. Jenny spends probably more than that.
I’ll shut up now, before I get in trouble.
No, it has not really been addressed, other than a mod/admin chorus of, “We don’t see a problem.” A fair number of posters did see a veiled threat and asked for clarification. None was forthcoming.
TubaDiva did call catsix a liar. Whether she used the phrase, “You’re a liar,” or not, she very strongly implied it three times in one post. I read her “promise” as You’re on my shit list, chickie. Not an outright threat, but still not as innocuous as you want to make it.
As to your two points above, Garfield has not called for the second to occur. He only called for the first after being ignored. What was asked for was an explanation and, if warranted, an apology. And not something along the lines of, “I did not say that. I’m sorry you read my words that way.” (I’m sorry that y’all are too stupid to comprehend what I wrote.) TubaDiva could have aborted this whole thing way back when by responding to the question. “It was not my intent to give that impression. What I meant was…” or “I apologize to catsix for the tone of my reply. I was aggravated and let my emotions run away with me. I did not mean to imply you were in danger of banning.” In either case, she still owes catsix an apology for calling her a liar.
Garfield226 has been one of the staunchest defenders of administrative actions in the past. He doesn’t just jump into a mod pile-on while wearing golf spikes. His current stance comes from the feeling of being stonewalled. A question was asked and has not yet been answered by the person to whom it was addressed. She is the only one who can give an answer as to the meaning behind the words.
This question?
[quote=Garfield226]
Just what was it you would like to promise catsix in this
She made a snarky remark. That’s all. I, for one, since approximately 12 hours after I became a mod, have consistently and vociferously defended my right to make snarky - nay, even vicious - remarks despite my “status”.
I completely reject the idea that moderators and administrators are not allowed to post personal feelings, and until, if, and when, you can demonstrate that a moderator’s or administrator’s personal feeling has affected their duties, I see no reason why that question needs to be answered. Has catsix been banned, suspended, warned? Of course not. Please demonstrate in what way she has been harmed by a snarky remark which is, in fact, far milder than remarks I have seen directed to catsix in the past.
Yep. That one. In your estimation, was it a fair one (especially if it was only “a snarky remark”)? Was it asked in a harsh or insulting manner? Is there any reason, other than “I just plain don’t think you deserve one” to not answer it?
In your opinion. Others read it differently.
I never said moderators and administrators shouldn’t be allowed to post their personal feelings. I don’t think they should be allowed to make threats, using their moderator or administrator status. I think TubaDiva’s personal feeling DID affect her duties, by inducing her to make an unwarranted threat to a poster in the course of posting as an administrator. You obviously disagree. I have no problem with that.
TubaDiva is the only one who can clear up that disagreement, and you seem to be saying that I don’t deserve an answer because catsix wasn’t ultimately banned? I disagree with that completely. Just because a moderator or administrator doesn’t take an action doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be held accountable for what they say.
Pretty much what I’m seeing too. (Except for the provocative thread title.)
However, I don’t think anything will be said and/or done to address the original issue at this late date. Hadn’t happened yet? Ain’t gonna. Save your Pits for the next fuck up.
And if Che happens to come by, tell him I said to beat it, okay?
I don’t see a threat in there. She said she’d like to do something vague and unspecified, but that what she would actually do is to “try and overlook all that.” Indeed, she promised to try and overlook all that.
I think you’re reading her words far more closely than they were intended to be read, and then drawing the wrong conclusion from them.
Was it a nice thing she said? Not so much. However, I just cannot see how it’s a big deal, certainly not a big enough deal to fuel several threads.
(I was considering not posting this, given the repulsive comments that my fan club is likely to follow up with. But then I realized, fuck 'em.)
Daniel
Nice.
And as I’ve said, to numerous people: That’s your interpretation and you’re welcome to it. It’s others’ interpretation as well. I happen to disagree, and my reading is also shared by several others. TubaDiva can (and indeed, could have during this entire time) clear it up with one simple post. Why she chose not to before she left is completely beyond my comprehension.
Isn’t that a bit contradictory? If she’s trying to overlook all that, she’s failed immediately by pointing it out. If we go by that way of looking at things, not only do we still have a potential threat in the “vague and unspecified” part, but also she’s broken a promise straight off the bat.
The disagreement is fine; I’m not trying to say that you’re a fool for disagreeing (although I still can’t see how you can derive a threat from that pasage). However, while I can’t read Tuba’s mind, I can imagine her thoughts going something like this:
- Whatever I say to these folks, they’re not going to be satisfied unless I grovel.
- Fuck 'em, I have no cause to grovel.
- Why dignify it with a response?
That would not be my approach, but it’s one that I can comprehend.
Daniel