A decent pancake canneloni with spinach can be had at Marios in Timperley village I believe.
However: In Manchester we normally don’t bother with Italian stuff, we stick to good old English fare like curry or crispy duck with hosin sauce
Arsenal have a long-term debt that is easily paid for by the huge increase in revenues from the Grove vs Highbury. Worst case would be if they can’t sell the apartments at Highbury, but a) it’s London, even in a property crash it’s not going to be worth too little and b) they’d be OK even if they can’t sell it, they’ll just take longer to start spending like United. They’re probably the most financially sound club in England, with United alongside them if they can continue their huge income (highly likely). There’s a pretty big gap before you get to the rest of the clubs…
Villa are funded by a billionaire. While they’re in a good position in that said billionaire loves the club, they aren’t sustainable either. If they break the top 4 this year they’ll need Lerner to fund huge wage bills - because as you said their earnings are paltry relative to the actual big 4 (big 3 really, Liverpool are too poor, though they still beat the rest easily). Frankly it’s unlikely they’ll ever compete with United (massive worldwide fanbase that would take decades to amass) or the London clubs (rich city, huge gates). Best hope is a short while of glory before Lerner can’t afford to fund them anymore.
chowder, the richest club is the one which earns the most. That’s Real Madrid, not Citeh.
I don’t really understand all the hoopla around Villa finishing in the CL. Even if they manage it, competing in both the CL and keeping their top 4 spot will be incredibly difficult, considering that Arsenal/Chelsea/whoever loses out isn’t exactly going anywhere. Plus they’re a team with zero creativity, which will be a huge problem once teams start playing them like they do the other big teams - 10 behind the ball.
Also, remember that the top 4 doesn’t actually get you into the CL, it gets you into qualifying. Better teams have lost/almost lost (like Liverpool doing their best to lose to Standard Liege). Would be amusing if Villa get into the top 4 then crash out in qualifying 
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I beg to differ about richness.
Surely the club or indeed the person who has the most money/assets is the richest.
For example: If I earn £20,000 pa but I have combined cash/assets of £20M then I am richer than the bloke who earns £25,000 pa with combined cash/assets of £10m
Last year I tried to make an all-English fantasy team to compete against a friends best-of-the-best (within a budget) team. I like Villa because they had the most representatives on my team throughout the season.
I lost btw. God damn Ronaldo, no English player could compete with that. Not last season anyway.
It’s not so much that I want Villa to finish in the top 4, it’s that I want one of the ‘big 4’ to finish 5th. Preferably Arsenal. No reason other than cheap schadenfreude.
I don’t like you very much.
I think that there is hoopla, because it is a bit nice to see that some other team can break into tthat rarified air, even if just for a little while. Of course Everton did it a few years back (5 years ago maybe?) and then struggled the next year (I think) but seem to be alright now.
Tottenham was, of course, one tainted spaghetti dinner away from probably breaking into the top four a couple of years ago.
Of course making the CL means you will make more money, and folks in Engerland and drawn to Villa because they do have quite a few English players on the squad.
But that’s not what we are talking about. We are asking if the bloke who makes $20K pa but whose Dad is worth $20M and lets him live in the pool house at the moment is richer than the bloke who earns $25K and whose Dad is worth $10M, and makes him get an apartment on his own.
The first guy is probably better off at the moment. But once his Dad catches him smoking weed (or getting relegated), and kicks him out into the real world, then who is richer?
We were talking about who is the richest club in the UK, I maintain it’s City.
Now then, where did I stash that weed?
In that case I can move Chelsea off the top of my shit list and put City there instead.
Sorry to disappoint you but Manchester City does not own the resources of Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan and the Abu Dhabi United Group for Development and Investment. It’s actually the other way round.
City is the Sheikh’s mistress. At the moment he will do anything for her. He’ll buy her as many Kakás, Ronaldos and Gerards as he thinks she wants and needs to succeed. Subject to availability, of course. But what happens when the mistress fails to perform in the way the Sheikh desires? What happens when, instead of Premier League titles and heady nights of Champions League football, the Sheikh finds himself wrapping up warm for a visit to a windswept Bloomfield Road on a wet Tuesday in November, where a point is required to break into the top six of the Championship? I’m guessing he’ll choke on his Bovril, dump the incompetent bitch* and head on to pastures new.
A mistress may exert a temporary power over her master but it doesn’t mean she ends up with the cash.
*It’s a metaphor rather than a qualitative judgement.
Yeah, City is Abu Dhabi’s bitch. Take that, chowder! 
It’s a fair point.
I spent too long extolling the gustatory delights of Milanese cuisine at the expense of the tasty northern foodstuffs you mention above.
Did you know that Vimto claims to be the most popular Ramadan drink in the Arab world? I wonder if this purple liquid substance is now available for purchase from City refreshment outlets at Eastlands on match days.
I don’t think it’s accurate to say that Arsenal has American ownership. The actual owner of the club is Arsenal Holdings PLC, which is in turn owned by a number of shareholders. Only one of them is American - Stan Kroenke, who holds around 12% of the shares. Most of the other shareholders, though, are English.
So while you’re technically correct in that Arsenal has an American shareholder, it’s not owned solely by Americans, as Liverpool and Man United are.
By three of the top four clubs I assume he meant Man U, Liverpool, and the mighty Villa. With Chelsea they round out the top 4 clubs.
Arsenal are fifth in the table, Villa is fourth.
Awwww…don’t rub it in!
Yeah and manure are the Glazers ho’s
In your face red 
That depends entirely on how you define the free market (in the sporting sense). The NFL is free to spend as much as it wants; but if you think of each franchise as a wholly-owned subsidiary of the league itself, than it makes a lot more sense. Each of the major sports leagues is allowed to exist as it does only through the good graces of the US Congress - otherwise, they’d all be considered monopolies. But since any individual is free to ply his trade anywhere else in the world, or in any other league in the US, then each league can have a draft and a salary cap and limited free agency as long as it’s collectively bargained with their Players Unions.
Baseball has no cap, so the league is entirely dominated by New York, Boston, Chicago and LA (big surprise), while smaller cities are turned into feeder clubs that develop talent before losing it to the big boys. The NFL has an iron-clad salary cap that has allowed Green Bay, Wisconsin and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to field some of the best and most popular and successful teams in the league. The NBA salary cap is just ridiculous, so let’s just leave them out of the conversation.
I, for one, would hate to begin every season in the sure knowledge that the best my team could possibly hope for is to still be in the league next year. As a San Diego native, I get to see both sides of the salary cap issue up close and personal. The Padres (MLB) have never won the World Series, and have only even made the playoffs 5 times. It’s not impossible that they could win it some year, but it won’t be any time soon. The Chargers (NFL), on the other hand, have made the playoffs 4 of the past 5 years - and as long as they keep drafting well, they’ll have a legitimate chance to win the Super Bowl for years to come. Their management, good or bad, is easily the most important factor in deciding whether or not they ever win.
So yes, I’m in favor of a salary cap. I actually think it’s even worse in the EPL than it is over here. If your team sucks, it sucks, the end. But you guys have good teams that still have nothing to hope for. What does an Everton fan hope for when the season starts? The UEFA Cup? Lame. The Toffees are good - legitimately good - and have no hope of winning a title. That sucks.
The thing is, loyalty to an American team is totally different to loyalty to a football club. I’ve been to a lot of big and small sporting events in the US, and nothing has come close to the intensity of support I remember from back home (even after the misguided idiots got rid of the terraces).
My team is one of the good ones that essentially starts of the year knowing we aren’t going to win. But that doesn’t alter my love for the game, or for the league. When Villa get a result on Saturday (or thanks to the TV money Thursday through Tuesday or whatever it is now) I am on a high.
As I said, a salary cap just isn’t practical in European football. US sports have it (in 3 of the big 4) and such is their choice. They make pretty good spectacles, and I enjoy them. But I have never managed to explain over here how parity isn’t the be all and end all. I’d agree it has gone too far in football - I miss Forest being a great team, and some of the European Leagues are essentially one or two clubs with everyone else as total also rans (Scotland is obviously a great example here).
More or less what Villa said.
As for Notts Forest: I am not certain but I’d hazard a guess that the fans who watched Forest when they were top dogs still go to watch them now despite the fact that they’ve fallen from grace so to speak.
Same with City, when we were in Div 1 I still went to Maine Road, my love for the club remained the same and would do even if they played in the Conference.
In a nutshell, when you support a football team in the UK you do so without any conditions. They are your team, no other will ever take their place no matter what.
In every football fan hope springs eternal as Pompey fans found out when they won the FA Cup last season