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Should I send an email to everyone? I haven’t yet, but if people are waiting I could fire one off. I din’t think we would need it, everyone is keeping in touch as far as I know.

My intended keepers were McNabb, Owens and Gonzalez.

Since the leagues have been forming up, it seems that everyone is gravitating to the league they want. As long as all are in agreement, I suppose we will continue with the three keepers. I will be posting a webpage for this game, and I am working on a rules page so that everything is written down and there will be no confusion as we continue.

If everyone does not return, should we open to new team owners?

I believe that any players left over by departing owners should go into the draft pool with everyone else. If a team owner wishes to give his/her(?) team to someone else, should we honor that agrteement or make the new owner draft fresh?

How many more questions can I come up with? None right now…

At least a few of us are not in agreement on this. I believe using last year’s keepers without final rosters is dumb and infeasible. The idea of keepers is kinda cool, but we botched it up. Let’s admit it and move on. I don’t believe we should try to salvage last year’s keepers based on initial draft rosters - many teams underwent major change during the year. Many teams turned over a third or more of their rosters.

This is an excellent idea.

Yes!

Scrapping keepers will get rid of this problem.
I’ve been trying to come up with some sort of proposal we can vote on for keepers, but I haven’t quite been able to come up with the right mixture of saliency and succintness. I will simply say that I do not view the “top 3 keepers, top 3 rounds, draft day rosters” formula as desirable.

I vote we scrap keepers entirely and start over.

I strongly agree with neuroman, but if we have to do keepers, I vote for just 1, as a compromise, with perhaps 3 going into next year. In that case, I’ll keep James.

I say keep three, or keep none and do it next year. That way we can do keepers based on where you drafted them - which is ultimately the best way to handle keepers.

If you did accept new blood into this league, how would the keeper situation work? Would the people with a keeper be excluded from the first round draft, and the new players have a selection based on what players are left?

Would a newcomer have a huge disadvantage because the top X players are already taken?

SenorBeef,

We still haven’t definitively sorted out the keeper situation. However, since only 9 / 14 participants have bothered to sign up at the Yahoo league, I’m guessing that we will indeed need fresh coaches. mouthbreather in particular was very non-commital.

Newcomers either inheriting the keepers from an old, defunct (ownerless) team or scrapping last year’s keepers entirely seem like the only fair ways to do it.

Steelerphan: what do you think about setting some deadlines to ensure that we get the league up and running smoothly? Maybe a deadline to vote on the keeper debacle, I mean situation, and another for joining the Yahoo! league, with all participants to be informed via Email as well as this thread?

I’d be happy to join if the slate was wiped clean, and I’d consider joining to inherit a keeper. I like the idea of a keeper league, it just seems like such a mess right now that it might be a better idea to start fresh this year but implement clear keeper rules and records.

Let me be the first to point at Omni and do my best to muster up a Nelson Muntz immitation.

Ha-ha.

I’d like to ask the active players to go to the Yahoo site and vote on the issues. I’m shooting for getting things in order by this weekend.

Ok. Steelerphan wants to get things in order by this weekend, so anyone returning from last year’s league who still hasn’t joined, join up now or risk being dumped. This is [sub]probably maybe[/sub] your final warning.

Re: Keepers
For this year’s league I propose the following, which I believe comprehensively covers all the issues related to keepers. Having written that, I’m sure I forgot something.

-Keep anywhere from 0-3 players
Do I actually need to explain what this means? I sure hope not.

-Select keepers two weeks before the draft
If this year is any indication, there’s a good chance we won’t get all owners to return, and picking keepers at the end of the season (or anytime significantly before draft time) just seems like it’s going to complicate things. If even one owner leaves and we have a replacement owner fill in for him, IMO it wouldn’t be fair to saddle the new owner with the last owner’s keeper picks, and if we let new owner make new picks, we’d all have to make “new” picks, so let’s avoid this whole imbroglio (holy crap, this may be the first time in my life I’ve ever actually used the word imbroglio, that is awesome) by just designating keepers late in the process (two weeks before draft. Or maybe four, whatever, just not in the offseason.)

-Once keeper selections are made, you are LOCKED into them
This seems obvious, but we need to make keeper picks once and only once. This is especially important if we don’t require three picks out of everyone (as I advocated above.) Someone might say “hm, I know I already stated I’d pick player X in round Y, but actually I decided to not keep him and just draft from the available talent in that round instead.” BZZZT! No. This would be unfair to the other players and would complicate the draft.

-Maximum keeper lifetime of two years
Most keeper leagues allow you to keep a player only X number of times. I think that two times is the most we should allow coaches to keep a player. (I.e., a keeper player could be on your roster for three years max.) You want to have some turnover in a keeper league to keep things interesting and fun. (And if you can’t get a return from a sleeper keeper [late round pick] after two years, well, tough nuggets. We’re playing a damn online fantasy football league here, not running the MLB farm system.)

-Keep based on round drafted
Hopefully most of us agree that the “top 3 rounds” method sucks donkey gnads. Instead we can keep a player in the same round he was drafted, or earlier. (This nicely avoids the problem of someone selling his entire team for one or two first round players - he can only keep ONE first rounder.) Another alternative that I read about last year when researching keeper leagues is to keep at round drafted +2. What this means is that players drafted rounds 1-2 can’t be kept, and everyone else is kept at two rounds higher than originally picked. The practical implications of this are that the fantasy studs turn over every year, and you end up keeping mid to late round players. Because the studs are always up for grabs, it makes the league much more competetive. I’m not fanatically attached to the +2 method, but I do kinda like it. I’d like to hear feedback. But for the love of Og, do NOT use the “top 3 rounds” method.

-Free agent keepers - don’t use them
What should we do if someone wants to keep someone they picked off the free agent list (say, Anquan Boldin?) Well, we could let them keep their FA in a designated late round, e.g., round 10, but this would reward the jackass who sits by his computer on Sunday just waiting to pick up whoever surfaces with hot numbers that day. Rewarding this jackass stinks. (back me up here Munch.) We should instead reward the guy who goes down to his neighborhood bar and gets slobbering drunk! Well, maybe not reward him, but at least we shouldn’t penalize the guy. So I say NO to FA keepers. Does anyone really want to see someone get to keep Anquan Boldin on his roster for two or three years (drafted in the tenth round!) just because he had the good luck to snatch him off the free agent wire first? I sure as hell do not. If you weren’t smart enough to draft him, why should you get to keep him? Eliminating FA keepers makes things simpler and fairer.

-Draft in reverse order of finish
If you finish first, you draft last. If you finish 2nd, you draft second to last. This shouldn’t be controversial. Of course this year, (assuming we don’t do keepers, which is the way things are looking right now) the draft order should be random since we’re starting from scratch.

Wow, that was quite a post. You may now all stand back and admire it and/or tear it apart. And will someone get me a damn grilled cheese sandwich already? I’m starvin’ over here.

Sorry, got no damn cheese here. Swiss, cheddar, jack - but no damn.

I agree with most everything you’re bringing up, neuroman - just want to throw out one enhancement - it should be that a player can only be kept for two straight years, not that one owner can keep a player for two years.
May not sound like much - but otherwise you get “I’ll trade you my stud RB who I can’t keep for yours” trades.

I guess I’m one of the few who is in favor of keepers as the first three rounds… but if everyone else is against it, not a problem for me.

This may be minor - but if we do go round picked, and no free agent keepers - would we want a rule that says a player must be on an active roster for the whole year to be able to be kept? Otherwise, let’s say I draft Ron Dayne in round 12. I cut him after a couple of weeks cause he’s doing nothing. Then right before week 13, Tiki Barber announces that he is retiring to join Ricky Williams as the announcing team for the fledgling China Foorball League. Now, someone else who is quick on the draw picks up Dayne, who’s now the Giants starting RB, and gets to keep him using a round 12 keeper. (OK, I know - silly scenario - no way Dayne’s #2 on the Giants depth chart).

What say ye? Seems to me to be in keeping with the spirit of the “no free agent keepers” rule.

Sorry, thought of something else.

Instead of round +2 for keepers, one interesting idea I remember reading about somewhere was along the lines of: first time you keep a player, you use the same round. Next year, round +2; third time, round +4. Lets you keep a stud RB only one time, but lets you keep those late round gems for several years at good value.
Only problem is that it is a bit of a logistical headache…

Food for thought.

Paging steelerphan

Does anyone still give a damn about this league? Because the inactivity is bordering upon abandon.

I’ve been outta town for the last 2 weeks. What exactly is the status of this league? The season’s getting kinda close people, y’know?

Oops, sorry.

I’ve been a little busy, and each time I work on the fantasy football webpage, my HTML program (Nutscrape Composter) crashes after I’ve moved most of the information there.

Point one:

No keepers. I can’t see a solution that will make everyone happy, so I’m going to apply the keeper rules for next season.

Point two:

We have ten players signed up, and I have 14 slots in the league. I’d like to open the league to other Dopers; those interested can apply here. Any comments from the present owners?

Point three:

Hi Opal! (She’ll never read this anyway.) I’m looking at the suggested rules for the league, and I’m still waiting for comments. I need a system for next year’s keepers, as well as any suggested changes to the league scoring settings.

Point four:

I want what Rickey Williams and Quincy Carter were smoking- it’s gotta be some good stuff to give up NFL careers…

Rewarding your patience…

Here is the league homepage I’m keeping offsite from Yahoo.

I’ve included the keeper and scoring suggestions I’ve received so far. Please review and make your own comments.

Again, slots are open… anyone else want in?

I’m certainly game for a fantasy football league, and this one appealed to me in that I recognize many names from the various SDMB football pools from last year, so I thought it would be fun. We tried (are we still trying?) to form a secondary league, but I’m not sure if we (ever will) have enough players, and that thread hasn’t been bumped in weeks. So if the secondary league won’t fly, consider me interested in this league.

Somehow, I don’t think that helps, though.

Open call to dopers who want to play. Just sign up. We’re lookin’ for four more. Remember, this is a keeper league, so if you sign up, hopefully you plan to play next year as well.

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/register/joinprivateleague
League ID: 16909
Password: straightdope

And since mouthbreather isn’t coming back, I’m the champion by default. DE-FAULT, DE-FAULT, DE-FAULT! The two sweetest words in the English language! (Kudos if you can name that episode.)

Steelerphan, thank you for setting up the web page. I wouldn’t focus too hard on keeping exact track of what specific settings everyone endorses though, or you might go insane. (Or at the least, use an Excel spreadsheet to track, that might not be so bad.)

Re: keeper settings
Refer to my previous post for my full views, which I believe are quite meritorious. We definitely have to change the “last 3 rounds” rule that you have posted. Also, I believe we should not pick next year’s keepers until close to draft time for reasons of simplicity and fairness. Choosing keepers early will just make things needlessly complicated.

As far as the waiver wire goes, the “$1000” idea is kind of cool, but an easier idea might be to limit FA pickups during the season.

I’m in.

Me too. I missed the cutoff last year, so I look forward to crushing all of you and hearing the lamentaitons of your women.