I’ve actually come to realize that I’m the least interested in the series that I’ve ever been. I’m still mildly excited for the final season but I’m fairly sure there’s gonna be some massive writing problems with the ending, I just don’t have the confidence they’re going to stick the landing.
Compared to, say, Breaking Bad where the end of each season (or 5a) left me thinking “holy shit I need to see what happens” all offseason.
I continue to be hopeful that whatever writing problems the show has with the ending will be less severe than not writing the ending at all.
Not sure why but it seems a lot of people tend to not like the last season(s) of popular shows - for example Dexter and Sopranos. I was OK with the way both of those shows ended. That’s not to say I thought the endings were great but I don’t think they were as bad as many fans thought.
Of course in this case you have people claiming they are “making stuff up” when the reality is they are following the outline Martin gave to HBO. I can’t imagine the show having an ending that is not what Martin planned for the books.
It’s not that the ending is going to be different than what Martin planned, its that there is a gulf of difference between following an outline and an already written book. There is a huge drop in quality between the seasons that were based on already written works and the ones they had to come up with themselves. That was never meant to be their job, they did not sign up for that.
I too think there is no way they can meet expectations. Still gonna watch and probably enjoy it, though.
I wonder what the HBO contract Martin signed says about delivering the books. The contract could allow them to reduce pay to him for not delivering the books.
When “alive” he was pretty much the top rapist of Westeros. I took it as such, personally…
If you are talking about the current Song of Ice and Fire books, I believe he has nothing in there about those. He owns them and publishes them at his will. He has apparently worked out a “no deadline” situation with his publisher since the third one.
If you mean prequel books, I doubt he would enter any agreement that gave him deadlines. He…obviously only writes when he wants and…well, what he wants.
With a date of April now locked in, Mrs. Mahaloth and I have started re-watching the show for the first time. We watched every episode as it aired(or the next day) and have never re-watched any.
We are two seasons in and our thoughts “binging” it:
Anyway, I had read the first 2 1/2 books before and honestly find the show…superior in many ways. Martin is creative and as imaginative as our greatest authors, but I am not a fan of his writing style.
Anyone else start a re-watch? Our plan was to spread them out and finish just before April, but we are flying through way too fast. I bet we end February if we stretch it.
I just started a re-watch from S1,Ep1 Friday. I will spoiler box this since I can’t remember if we care in this thread.
I’m up to S2 where Jon saw Craster leave the baby in the woods.
The actor that plays Jamie Lannister is great.
The actor that plays King Robert is ACTING!!!
Forgot how much sex and nudity was in the earlier seasons.
Actually, I thought things moved faster than I remembered. I’m thinking about the time between Drogo being brought back and his second death. It all happens in one episode. I would have sworn they drug that out for 2-3 episodes.
George R R Martin says we will get an ending to the books.
He’s planning on getting around to it a month or two after he dies.
Edit: According to the reddit thread I found this on, apparently his tone and mentioning Winds specifically is unusual and may actually indicate he plans to get around to it now. Of course that could just be hopeful fan rationalizing.
Kit Harrington audition with dragon:
I wonder if his will prevents anyone from writing the books after he dies.
Guy who wrote Girl with the Dragon Tatoo and the 2 sequels died and never married his GF so she did not get any money from the estate. There is another Swedish guy who is writing more books i the series , I figure his GF allowed that to get royalties.
I don’t understand. If she wasn’t included in his estate, then how did she get ownership of the rights/royalties?
The first 4 seasons were brilliant, since the story was known. I watched them again and discovered so much more. There is all sorts of foreshadowing; there are almost no throwaway lines, and everything means something. The biggest discovery is how Little Finger was truly the puppeteer behind everything. The story doesn’t exist without him. That’s why I thought his death should have been more ceremonious and memorable. The Dorne season really brought the show to a lower level.
At some point during that episode, LF was seen handing a coin to a little girl, which inferred it could be a faceless man, and he escaped death with a faceless man taking his place…
The biggest foreshadowing I noticed this time around,
There are several references to people getting their hands chopped off before Jaime gets his hand chopped off.
GRRM will be on the Jan. 8 episode of PBS’s Finding Your Roots. Check local listings: https://weta.org/press/season-five-“finding-your-roots-henry-louis-gates-jr”-premieres-winter-2019-pbs-beginning
There is even foreshadowing to things that didn’t make it in the show, like the “mummers dragon”.
Now that I’m watching again, with an eye towards foreshadowing, I think Arya and Gendry will be a couple at some point. Not saying either will sit on the Iron Throne. They’ve really set up the older guy doesn’t notice the younger girl (in a sexual way), but when they reunite after she’s blossomed, “sparks ignite” trope.