Vanilla is an ignorant bitch.

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I think the general consensus was that the KJV only part of the statement of faith would be controversial.

I don’t know if I’d call Lucki a liar, even though he was incorrect on the whole “Vanilla agrees with Jack Chick” thing. In his defense, the thread was confusing. I think Lucki’s statement is more a mistake than a deliberate attempt at deception.

I found two things troubling about vanilla’s posts in that thread. The first is that she wasn’t willing to support her assertions. She first stated “Count me as one of mnay (but no one else on the sdmb) who thinks Harry Potter is intended to teach children witchcraft. And yes, i won’t let my son read it.”

then, when asked, “Why do you think the books are intended to teach children witchcraft”, would not answer that question, and instead, made another assertion that “It certainly sparks their interest in witchcraft.”. When asked again about her opposition to Harry Potter, she said that

“I foudn a lot of making it seem that lying and disobeying are a-okay.”

this time, not relating her opposition to Harry Potter teaching children witchcraft at all.

The second thing in that thread that gave me pause was what appeared to be her very strong opposition to Mormonism, and her statement that the anti-mormon sites she linked to were objective, when they do not appear to be so.

Vanilla has also, in the past, made other statements which seem to express ignorance, intolerance and ad hominim attacks, but they are outside the subject of that linked thread. I can find them if required.

In conclusion, while I do not think she is a “bitch”, she does seem to be often ignorant and superstitious on religious matters, certain sometimes to the point of arrogance that her beliefs are correct, and willing to engage in non sequiters and ad hominim attacks to advance her position.

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I’m not trying to argue that vanilla is the greatest person ever; I hardly know her. If this were, say, Monty’s thread about vanilla’s attitudes toward Mormons, I’d probably stay out of it.

I just don’t think Lucky’s OP makes any kind of case for vanilla being an ignorant bitch, or that Lucky should get away with trying to dictate how vanilla raises her kid(s). And I do think Lucky was lying; the statement were vanilla says anything about agreeing with Chick at all was immediately followed by a statement that he was nuts, and he misrepresented that in an inexcusably dishonest way.

I don’t think the thread being confused is excuse enough; if you want to start a Pit thread about someone, you should get your damn facts straight or just drop it.*

–John
*I have fucked up this way before and been royally reamed for it, as I deserved.

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Well, jeepers, I thought a DDG Pit thread was strange, but a Vanilla Pit thread? The mind boggles. :confused: Who’s next on your Pit shit list, Lucky? Mr. Rogers? Elmo? Is Maisy an ignorant bitch, too? Hey, she doesn’t know any better than to stand up in a boat, the ignorant bitch.

But hey, any flimsy excuse to start a Pit thread so you can see your name in lights up at the top of the forum, right? It’s probably because now that the Taliban thing is simmering down, boredom is setting in. You need an Activity! Here’s something to do: See How a Grumpy Bug Makes Friends.[/sub]

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If someone says something ignorant, even if it’s just opinion, even if it’s not disprovable, one may still call them on it if one thinks it is ignorant. Every time you disagreed with someone on this board, you had cites and proof? You never disagreed with just your opinion?

I fully believe that it is in fact ignorant to believe Harry Potter will encourage witchcraft. I feel this is ignorant on many levels. I’m not allowed to challenge someone on these ignorant beliefs because I can’t prove my opinion? Ridiculous.

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People who misrepresent others (even if unintentionally)make me angry.
People who get upset that others don’t share their opinions makes me angry.
Lucki Charms (in this thread) is making me angry.

She’s read two Potter books. That’s enough, IMHO, to make an informed decision. I love the Potter series and disagree with her take on it, but hey, she has a right to an informed opinion. I love Narnia, and I accept that there are people who’s opinion I respect elsewhere that don’t. Hell, I even have a friend who doesn’t like Pratchett! And yet, somehow the friendship muddles on.

I think you owe Vanilla an apology.

Fenris

PS: Vanilla, if, in fact, you’ve never read C.S. Lewis’s Narnia books, you should give 'em a try. It has some of the most powerful, beautiful pro-Christian imagry in the history of literature, children’s or otherwise.

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I hardly think that a parent who makes decisions about what their child will read is an ignorant bitch as proclaimed. I would rather see someone say, hey, I think your views are wrong and these are the reasons rather than blanketing everything into one lump sum of ignorant bitch.

While I disagee that the Harry Potter series (having not even read them myself) encourages witch craft (I think of many fantasy childrens books and even adult books that only send you to another land) I do agree that a mother or a father can use their own judgement in what their children read, see and hear. If the children lose out on things, they gain other things. The world is not a child’s playground and parents are parents to teach and sprout their children in a way that makes them good people. Sounds to me that vanilla is doing what she feels right.

Living in a very Christian/Conservative community but being socially liberal I see it as a little nutty but then again I am neither a parent or a Christian. But her choice is hers and frankly she doesn’t have to justify it to anyone but her and her God.

I find your statement Vanilla is an ignorant bitch to be extremelly mean spirited and going over board. But that’s just my opinion.

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vanilla’s comments on Harry Potter may be ignorant, but that’s her perogative.

The links she posted-which she seemed to think were fair objective, reputable sites, were not-in fact, I found them very offensive.

I wouldn’t call her an ignorant bitch, though.

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I haven’t read the thread in question, so I can’t comment on that. But this quote stood out for me:

Give me a frickin’ break. Oh, boo hoo hoo. So her kids won’t read some rather popular books. Cry me a frickin’ river. I’m not saying that it’s great, I’m not saying that I feel it’s necessary, but come on. Like there aren’t any other good books out there? Like you think all her kids’ friends are so damned illiterate that they don’t read any other books? Or movies? Or TV shows? Like there’s nothing else to talk about? Come on.

When I was growing up, at times we didn’t even have a TV, and when we did, we were not allowed to watch it that much. My parents thought there was too much crap on TV, and they were very watchful about what we got to see. (Sometimes, to a fault, but that’s a different story.) Yeah, I resented it, but it wasn’t the end of the damned world. All my friends talked about TV shows I’d never seen. So? Boo-frickin-hoo. So I wasn’t able to take part in the discussions about certain popular movies and TV shows? Boo-frickin-hoo. Do you think my mom was an IGNORANT BITCH for not letting me watch a whole lot of TV when I was growing up? Was my dad an IGNORANT BASTARD because we hardly ever saw movies in the theater? Is that all it takes these days to be labled an IGNORANT BITCH/BASTARD?

Give me a frickin’ break.

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You know what? Saying that the Harry Potter books not only do cause witchcraft but are intended for that purpose is an ignorant fucking opinion, and I have every right to call vanilla on it.

declaring the mormons not to be Christian despite the fact that they believe they are, then posting several biased, offensive sites as objective proof is fucking ignorant.

Also, she indirectly agreed with Chick. She said that she 100% agreed with a poster who said they 100% agreed with Chick. I didn’t make that shit up.

My resolution stands: vanilla is an ignorant bitch.

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oh, one more thing:

making ignorant-ass statements, and then, after being asked to explain your feelings, responding with answers to questions nobody asked is a fucking ignorant defense mechanism.

LC

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There’s a difference between fighting ignorance and fighting ignorant people. I disagree with vanilla, and I hope to help reduce the number of people who believe the sort of things that she believes. If I saw a way to convince her that she’s wrong, I’d take it. I have considerable animonisity towards the ideas that vanilla holds. But I don’t have any animosity towards vanilla herself.

It looks to me like Lucki Charms started a thread to laugh about how stupid Jack Chick is, and found that vanilla was not sufficiently anti-Chick, and so decided to start a new thread to laugh about how stupid vanilla is. I find it truly sad that Lucki Charms has to resort to such meansprited actions for entertainment.

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What about ignoring peoples’ rquests for cites?

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Here’s a thought Lucki…consider this:

I don’t think your an asshole but your comments are very asshole-like. I don’t know you therefore I can’t honestly say you are just a plain asshole, unless asshole-like behavior follows you everywhere you go.

See the difference?

Had you said “vanilla’s comment’s on said subject are ignorant” I think most people would have either agreed with you or not thought you were being such an asshole about it.

vanilla seems to be a very nice yet a very conservative person. I don’t fault her for that, I only wish she had a more open mind in certain things but I would never out and out say that she’s an ignorant bitch because she has a view I disagree with. It’s called tolerance, something many people on this board and elsewhere seem to forget when discussing such deep topics. You don’t have to agree with her but it would be nice if more people would just be against the word and not the person and be an asshole about it. It’s just asshole-like comments, I assume you are a nice person but you don’t show it much around here.

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Gotta say, even though I don’t agree with Vanilla’s opinions, I do respect her for maintaining civility in the thread in question. ( http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=97133 )

If she had started a thread to bash Harry Potter, then she’d be required to defend her position. But she just threw her two cents worth in on a hijack topic. Even then, she replied to say that:[ul]she did read two of the books.
she doesn’t consider (the character) Harry Potter to be a Satan worshipper, but she is not comfortable with the idea of spell-casting.
She doesn’t consider Wiccans to be Satan worshippers.
She thinks everyone is entitled to their own opinion.[/ul]
Some dopers did seem to be interested in a reasonable discussion of the topic, but others just seemed to be looking for a real live Fundie to kick around.

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She did not maintain civility.

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You know, Lucki, I manfully restrained myself from contributing to your other stupid thread about poser Wiccans. But I feel compelled to say that for someone who prides himself on his spirituality, you come across as an amazingly intolerant foul-mouthed jerk. I think you should consider going off in the woods and meditating a lot more. Preferably woods that don’t have an internet connection.

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Kyle’s mom is actually a “super King Kamehameha Beeatch!”

Kamehameha was a famous king of Hawaii. I only know this because one of my friends used to live in Honolulu on a street named after him. I have no idea what a Super King Kamehameha Beeatch is, but I don’t think vanilla is one.

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Yeah seriously, what’s up with all the nice people pit threads? It’s like nature’s being disrupted on the boards or something…

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Actually, I didn’t ignore shit. I just didn’t happen to check the boards again until well after someone else had posted the links.

It isn’t my responsibility to constantly monitor the boards in case anyone has any questions. I do acknowledge that I should have linked, however, and I still feel that the things vanilla posted were mind-bogglingly ignorant. She did say she agreed with whats-his-name who said he wholeheartedly agreed with everything Chick said. She did say that she believed the books were DESIGNED to make kids practice witchcraft. DESIGNED implies a willful plot, as in “we will release these books, and then kids will do witchcraft! muahahaha!”.

When asked what indication there was that HP was DESIGNED to make kids do witchcraft, she answered that it seemed like they supported lying. This is ignorant bullshit. Add to that the mormon-bashing, and this rant is perfectly justified.

Monty can tell you that she did not remain civil in that sense, i.e. she posted bigoted bullshit directed at people of his faith. Since when does that go on here? Since when is that acceptable?

LC

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Oh, you’re using that definition of ignorant that means ‘disagreeing with my own opinions.’ I was operating on the assumption that you weren’t a dick. I’ll adjust accordingly.

Opinions cannot be ignorant unless they are based on a lack of knowledge. Which of the opinions vanilla espoused that Lucky complained about were based on ignorance?

Again, I am not interested in the overarching topic of “Is vanilla an ignorant bitch.” My point is that Lucky’s OP was obnoxious bullshit. Nothing in the OP is an example of ignorance. If Lucky doesn’t want to get bashed he should work on constructing better OPs.

Vanilla did say she agreed with Arg, when she was under the impression that Arg did not agree with Chick. When someone said that he did, she said that if that was true, she disagreed with him on that point. Lucky, if you somehow missed the fact that she called Chick “whack”, “nutbally”, “screwy”, “a bit off,” then I take it back; you aren’t a liar, you’re just a moron.

–John