They use milk, though, don’t they?
Plus, I happen to know that a lot of them have pretty loose standards what constitutes a vegetarian diet. A lot of them will eat chicken and fish while still calling themselves vegetarians.
I guess we have fundamentally different definitions of what it means to be a host.
I don’t “have to cater” to the individual requirements of everyone who comes through my door, but if I invite someone to a meal when I know there will not be any food there they can eat, if I don’t tell them in advance, I am a complete shit.
Last week I had around 75 people over for a cook out. It’s called “RibFest.” It’s pretty damn clear what the focus is. I bought a couple of packs of Bean Burgers to throw on the grill for vegetarians/vegans, and every damn one made a point of coming up and thanking me for that effort. A much greater percentage than of the meat eaters who said anything, of course.
Being a good guest doesn’t require you to eat food you do not want/do not eat. A hosts job is to make people feel comfortable in the host’s home. And inviting someone whose eating habits you know to a food event, and not having anythign there for them to eat is just plain damned rude.
Let’s dispense with this meme that vegetarians “can’t” eat meat. Of course they can.They just don’t want to. That doesn’t mean they should have to, but it’s horsehit to say they “can’t.”
And a Jew can eat pork, but I would be a total asshole to invite my friend who keeps kosher to an event where all I was serving was bacon butties without letting him know first.
Unless you think that would be acceptable hosting too?
That’s true (and not sure what the point is) - it’s vegans who don’t use milk, egg or honey products.
No. You are parsing out one meaning of the word, obviously not the one intended by people who have written what you are arguing against.
Clearly, someone who has adopted a veg diet may not or can not eat meat.
I think if you’re a guest, you accept or decline what’s offered. I’ve never felt entitled to anything as a guest.
Sure they can. It’s a completely arbitrary and self-imposed rule. They don’t need “permission” to break it. They “may” eat whatever they want. No one’s going to arrest them.
That’s true - I am not judging the person, which somewhat disproves the point you have trying to make that all vegetarians all secretly think meat-eaters are unethical.
The act (of eating meat) is unethical for me, because it requires me to be willing to commit other acts (killing) which is not possible for me. If someone else is willing to carry those acts through, that changes the circumstances, and thus my attitude. Do I judge the farmer in Northern Victoria farming cattle for killing and eating his stock (this is a family friend). No, but it’s not something I would do. So I don’t.
You think they’re commiting unethical acts.
But you DO think that anyone who eats meat without being willing to kill it is behaving unethically?
It’s not about your entitlement as a guest. And a polite guest will never kick a fuss up.
It’s about the host’s responsibility. And excluding people is not being a good host. It is one of the reasons when I do a dinner party there are almost always two entrees. Last time for example I did salmon London Broil. 7 of the 8 guests ate both. The 8th came up to me after and thanked me, saying he just plain didn’t like seafood. Had I not had the beef, he wouldn’t have kicked up a fuss. But he would have left having only had side dishes. And I prefer to make my guests as happy as is practical in my home. That’s what being a host means to me.
And are you honestly telling me you would invite a Muslim to your house for dinner without informing him that it was Roast Loin of Pork, with all the vegetables roasted around the joint in the pork fat?
If people don’t want to eat what’s offered, they’re excluding themselves. That’s not the host’s fault.
Won’t someone think of the bees ! 
As I said in my first post, we have a very different definition of what being a host involves. I reckon I’d rather be invited to one of my parties than one of yours.
And to repeat the question I added in edit last time…
And are you honestly telling me you would invite a Muslim to your house for dinner without informing him that it was Roast Loin of Pork, with all the vegetables roasted around the joint in the pork fat?
I’d tell everybody what was for dinner. I probably wouldn’t cook pork for Muslim or observant Jewish guests, but I would like to cook one meal instead of two. I can accomodate kosher/halel guest without making two meals. I can’t make a single dish that will please both vegetarians and omnivores.
It was a direct response to an argument made by you.
It seems that, by the standards you are setting in this thread, any response that does not consist of “Yes, Diogenes, you are correct” is going to be interpreted by you as sanctimonious lecturing. You act like a complete jerk in this thread, telling people that they live a “fraudulent lifestyle” and generally belittling their choices, and then have the balls to call them sanctimonious when they defend themselves.
I think all that shows is lack of imagination and/or cooking skill on your part. At least that’s correctable, unlike your arrogance.
You might not be able to. I sure as hell can and have. Meat isn’t a required part of a meal, and believe me, I eat way more than my fair share of it.
I love me some meat, but I can also cook without it.
And you only probably wouldn’t cook pork for Muslim or observant Jewish guests? Yeah, we do define host differently.
Meat is a required part of any meal for ME, and if I’m the host, I’m cooking something I want to eat.
The irony of this post, after your hysterically condescending lecture about whether vegetarians “can” eat meat or not, is possibly the funniest thing I’ve seen on the 'Dope this month. Thanks for that.