She was also on an episode of Smallville, which is why the WhyFamily recognized her
What if she was having an aneurysm? In that case, locking yourself in your car in the bottom of a parking lot–where no one can see you slumped over in your seat–would NOT be the safest and smartest thing to do. It’s the kind of thing I’m stupid enough to do, but I expect more from Our Girl. If you’re feeling bad, get help, or at least stay where someone can see you. And since roofification had happened to Veronica before she should have picked up on the fact very quickly.
Re: Amanda Walsh: nope, that doesn’t ring any bells. But I appreciate the effort, Raygun99 and WhyNot. Wait! imdb.com says she was in Sons & Daughters this past season. That must be it. Well, no sleep lost there.
Overall a strong episode, just like last week’s. **Veronica **seasons have always started a little weak before building momentum, so I still have a lot of hope for season 3, even though the first couple of episodes were disappointing.
Unless you’ve ever been heavily dosed with GHB and/or rohypnol. Things like common sense, or even your own first name, are beyond your intellectual grasp.
Props to the director for the spooky “drug-induced” sequence. I know these kind of camera tricks and special effects have become sort of a cliche as of late, but it really captured the sense of confusion of being drugged, not to mention the whole “time skipping around thing”. (Not that I have any idea what I’m talking about…)
For the newbies who don’t like Logan, I don’t know what to say. :eek:
Having watched the first two season in chronological order, I think he’s one of the best characters on the show and I relish every second he has on screen.
Maybe you have to learn his history and see his actions in context before you can understand his behavior this year. He started off as Veronica’s worst nemesis, not to mention a spoiled, sarcastic, heartless asshole. He’s trying something new this season – to be a good boyfriend, possibly for the first time in his life, and it’s not coming easy for him. And Veronica’s doing her damndest to trust him – against all her better instincts, and so far it seems to be working. It’s actually kind of sweet.
I just hope they don’t get too lovey-dovey – everybody knows happy relationships on TV are boring.
I really liked that ep.
Did anybody else get a spooky sense of deja vu seeing the Keith/Harmony scenes? (Probably been mentioned before in previous week’s threads that I haven’t checked in on yet, but the actors were both regulars on ‘Just shoot me’ and had a complicated romantic plot there too, though no adultery was involved IIRC.)
I like Logan after all, but it still seems strange that he and Veronica are a couple. I have assumed that it was because female fans dug him or something.
I was surprised to see Veronica Mars walk away and leave her drink unattended. I mean, obviously she doesn’t have the benefit of knowing she’s on a TV show, but generally it’s not a good idea to walk away from anything you don’t want stolen on a college campus. Then she left a public space after feeling the effects of the drug? Maybe she wasn’t rational, but she had the presence of mind to set off her car alarm.
I’m always glad to see Ken “I wanna dip my balls in it” Marino show up. This time he slimes up the scene and then partly redeems himself all in one episode. My days of underestimating him are definitely coming to a middle.
I’ve never had rohypnol, but I was inadvertantly dosed with Ketamine once in a bar. I still can’t figure out how it happened, because I never left my drink alone. Our best guess is the guy talking to me dosed his own drink and offered me a sip, then didn’t drink any of it himself - but I have trouble believing I’d fall for that.
Anyhow, the two have very different effects, but the mental confusion is one in common. I knew something was very, very wrong, but I couldn’t for the life of me decide what to do about it. I’d take about 10 steps in one direction, but time was moving so oddly that it’d seem like I had been walking for 10 minutes and getting nowhere, so I’d change direction and purpose after (I thought) thinking about it for quite a while and forming a new “plan”. When my friends tried to talk to me, again because time was so bizarre, I thought I was considering their words for a brief moment, when in their reality, a minute or more passed. To the outside observer, of course, I was staggering back and forth in confusion and being unresponsive. And most of my confusion came not from the drug, but from not knowing what was going on. Looking back on it, I might have quite enjoyed the effects of Ketamine, had I taken it knowingly and in a safe environment. But because, to the best of my knowledge at the time, I had enjoyed two rather weak drinks, and was experiencing a level of impairment FAR beyond that - it was the not understanding what was happening that was so terrifying and confusing.
And the one thing I really didn’t “get” was that my friends were there, around me, trying to help me. Because I was so confused, I was all focused inward, certain that *I *had to figure out what happened and what to do about it. I thought they were being mean and bitchy for taking care of me, because they had to shout at me and hold me physically safe.
So while I was similarly shouting at Veronica that she was being an idiot from the safety and understanding of my couch, from the context of being impaired - and, most importantly, being impaired unknowingly and unwillingly - what she did was totally understandable. Going to strangers in a food court was probably just not an option. She was focused on her car as the safe place she had to get to, and it was only “a few steps” away in her universe.
WhyNot, if you aren’t sure how you got dosed, how do you know it was with Ketamine?
I don’t question Veronica’s actions after getting dosed; she didn’t know what she was doing. I do wonder why she seemed to remember everything that happened (according to her smile at the end and her own voiceover). I know in real-life date rape drugs always cause amnesia, and even in-show the other rape victims at Hearst (and Veronica herself in the first season) haven’t remembered anything that happened.
OK, having never been drugged myself, I’ll go along with the idea that Veronica wasn’t being abundantly stupid by not staying put in public. It was just, from this perspective, know the previous storyline–that she had been roofied before–she should known right away what was going on (before becoming completely rudderless) and positioned herself appropriately. It just seemed like, once she got the first wave of symptoms, that she couldn’t get out of the food court fast enough. If she was rational enough to head knowingly for her car–she didn’t just randomly head for the garage–then she was rational enough to sit still and get help from those surrounding her. My view, nothing more.
I don’t for sure, but that’s our best guess. “Our” meaning myself describing the symptoms (later) and my tried-every-drug-under-the-sun friend going, “Oh! That’s Special K!” The key symptom was stacking, or layering of my vision. Everything looked as if there were six or eight repeated 2-dimensional pictures of the thing, each a few inches apart making a line coming toward me, that moved not quite together. I was reminded of my grandmother’s shadowbox art from the '60’s, which had a scene of a girl in a garden and then a small cutout of an identical image of the girl in the foreground glued to a small bit of cardboard making it stand out. Only there were a bunch of layers. Very surreal.
Apparently, this is a key symptom of ketamine and not much else.
It’s also a pretty common date rape drug in these parts (or was at the time), and can be administered in drinks.
Me neither; no way she’d die jumping off a bridge into water. Her lips would’ve slowed her descent, as well as cushioned her fall. And then they’d’ve served as flotation devices.
Yikes, WhyNot!
I knew a girl who was roofied on two different occasions. One time, she got drugged and was so out of it she didn’t know that she shouldn’t get in her car and drive. She just knew she didn’t feel right and wanted to go home. She ended up driving around for hours until the drugs wore off and she “came to” in a part of town she didn’t recognize. She wasn’t answering her cell phone the whole time, and her husband was out of his mind worrying about her until she called and didn’t know where she was or how she got there. How she got around without crashing I will never understand. She didn’t remember what she had been doing during that time, just “I felt bad and wanted to get home” and then “I woke up here and I don’t know how I got here.”
In Veronica’s case, we were seeing what she was thinking and experiencing at the time it happened. When she was lying on the couch being tended by Keith and Logan, she probably didn’t remember the things she saw or what she was thinking at the time, but she knew what had happened in general (“I was drugged, and now I’m home.”)
Oh, and Fiver, date rape drugs don’t “always” cause amnesia. They *may *cause amnesia, but it’s not a given. Different people respond to drugs differently, and even the same drug may have different effects different times - you can take 10 fabulous acid trips and then have one horrible one. I believe it’s most common for GHB and rohypnol to cause some amnesia, but that doesn’t mean you won’t remember anything - just that some parts of the experience may be muddled or that you don’t remember some things.
Logan is one of the most complex characters on television, any show, any network. And I think Dohrng is the Ed Norton / De Niro of the 80’s generation, an extremely talanted actor bringing to life a very troubled character.
For the newbies - do check out the previous two seasons and you’ll totally get why 'Roni loves him and why Dohring is the best thing in acting right now.
I think you’re exactly right. Note that during the drug trip, Veronica actually recognizes the rapist as he approaches her. Considering that we still have a few episodes left in the arc, I doubt that she’ll remember who it was next week.
Regarding Keith’s subplot, do you guys think he made the right decision by breaking it off with the married gal?
I think so.
It’s refreshing to see an episode that shuns the typical “love conquers all” theme for something a little more complicated and mature. Sometimes you have to ignore your gut feelings and go with what’s logical – even when it hurts.
I sure wish Keith could catch a break. He’s smart, he’s a stand up guy, and he’s not too hard on the eyes either. What’s still keeping him and Wallace’s mom apart?
Every day I learn something!
I’m glad this is something I learned secondhand.
The lack of money to pay the actress? 
The main thing that broke up Keith and Wallace’s mom (Alicia) was the fact that she lied to Keith about her ex-husband and could have gotten Keith in a lot of trouble, or possibly hurt.
You know what I think really killed their relationship? Keith was talking to Alicia about how her lies might affect Wallace, and Alicia responded with an icy “You’re telling me how to raise a child?”
It was something like that. One of those revealing little things that, once said, doesn’t go away.