A pretty good episode, much closer to the usual standards than the last two weeks.
I did get the feeling that there was a little too much cleverness in the set up and resolution. It was sort of like watching a David Mamet movie; it’s sharp and entertaining, but in real life no one thinks that many steps ahead. Veronica seemed too clever in solving the issue; the whole “fifty with the phone number” setting a trap thing struck me as a little too prescient, given that just a few minutes before she was clueless when the box disappeared. But hey, whatever; as long as it’s cool in the end.
I was also a bit confused because at first I didn’t recognize Weevil without his facial hair. Sort of threw me off for a while.
I’m surprised by my reaction, but it was actually kind of nice to see Logan getting some time with the game booth hottie. I guess I’m warming up to that boy. So was that guy who picked her up (presumably her father) the same guy who reported to the cops that Logan did the killing? I wasn’t quite sure upon first look.
What was weird about this episode was that, maybe for the first time, I found the characteristic storytelling–jumping back and forth between disparate threads–to be distracting. The interactions of Keith and the ballplayer seemed out of place. Maybe they were following that line because of the Jackie thing, trying to juxtapose what she’s going through because of her dad’s doings and where he’s at. The whole thing just seemed intrusive, given the ep’s main storyline.
Finally, let me be the first to ask: did I dream that, or did we see a scene where Dick was tricked into giving a blowjob to a transvestite? Not something you see every night on your TV, that’s for sure.
(I’m not sure that really needs a spoiler box, but I don’t want to ruin anything.)
So those are my thoughts. Anyone else see the show.
I’m not sure Dick got as far as you say, as it’s pretty tough to “trick” someone into that (even someone as dense as Dick), but he definitely kissed the transvestite.
LOVE Mac and Beaver together.
LIKE Logan and Hannah. There are many ways their relationship could go, but here are two distinct possibilites:
Hannah is good for Logan, and will give him the affection and understanding he so desperately needs.
Logan will drag poor, sweet, innocent Hannah down into the dark and twisted bog that his life has become, and she will be destroyed.
Also, Hannah looks an awful lot like Flashback Veronica. You know, the one who was fairly sweet and innocent before her best friend was murdered and her mom left and she thought she’d been raped, etc.
The resolution of the mystery was perhaps too clever, but I didn’t really care. What’s important is the bitchy teacher got her comeuppance, and the principal was awesome.
Weevil grew out his hair and shaved his goatee, and Logan got a haircut too. Was there a slumber party makeover session, or what?
Nah, not even on VM. He bolted when he DISCOVERED she wasn’t what she appeared to be. I’d say in your scenario there’d’ve been at least ONE clue before he got to the spitting stage. I say he made his discovery manually, after having played some tonsil hockey. In other words, that wasn’t his spit he was spitting.
But no matter, there’s always plenty of super-filthy innuendo to go around on VM. One of my personal favorites from last season: “You got a trophy for a rim job?” :eek:
Yep, her father is Dr. Griffith, the plastic surgeon who claimed he was the witness (but really isn’t) that called 911 from the bridge the night Felix was killed. That makes it pretty clear Logan intentionally sought out the doctor’s daughter, and his flirting with her was at least partially an act. Pretty cold. But an interesting development.
Anyway, good episode. Probably top 3 or so for me this season so far. I liked the kinda flirty Veronica/Logan scene in the teaser (“What’s your poison?” “Emotionally unavailable women.” And then V does a little ba dum ba with her hands on the counter). But I also liked the ending Veronica/Weevil scene. Weevil has always made sexual comments or what not to her, going back to the pilot, without it leading anywhere, but that scene seemed to have more sparks than normal.
Cook sure had reason to want Miss Dumas dead, didn’t he? Not only did she tell Cook’s (previously unmentioned) fiancee about their fling, causing that relationship to end, she also overheard about how Cook threw a game and threatened to reveal that if Cook left her. And the “scary men” Cook owed money to from gambling debts were the Fitzpatricks. They sure are connected with everything this season, it seems like. They’re in the picture on both Felix’s death and the bus crash, which I feel are somehow related, though hell if I know how.
And yeah, the way Dick was spitting, at first my mind went to a very bad place, but I don’t think it was actually anything like that. Probably they were kissing in the car, he goes for third base, and finds it’s already occupied (so to speak). So he’s just spitting to get the taste of dude out of his mouth or whatever.
And yeah, re: innuendo. THere was a good one last night too, but now I can’t think of it . . . in the glitter room . . . something Beavis and Butthead said to the prom queen . . . anyone?
Madison (the bitchy, blonde, pep squad girl) and JB (the guy who turns out to be a cheater) are making posters or something for the Winter Carnival, which involves glueing glitter to paper. Madison tells JB to take it easy with the glue. “Do I look like I want to be covered with white goo?” Some of the other students laugh, including Weevil.
I can’t believe I missed that. Makes Logan’s little wave at the car window mean something completely different, and as you said it puts Logan’s intentions in a new light. I thought the dad looked familiar, but everyone on TV looks familiar now so I’m never sure.
It was the spitting that had me convinced. Whatever was in his mouth, he sure wanted to get it out of there fast.
I was also perplexed by the kid who stole the test. Why did he knuckle under so fast just because Veronica had a picture? I know it’s a callback to an earlier episode (which I must have missed), but I don’t know what that little club shot was all about. Can anyone explain?
Well, the violence of the reaction is not a chemical thing dependent upon the substance he’s spitting; it’s dependent upon the perceptions of the spitter. Depending on his level of revulsion–maybe we’re sposed to see that he’s irrational about such things–it could have been either. I’d bet someone with that level of revulsion, however, would’ve noticed there was a dick in the room well before he actually put it in his mouth.
It was a reference to the season one episode “Clash of the Tritons”. In that ep, a junior (I forget his name and we haven’t seen him since) and his friend go out drinking at some bars and the friend passes out from alcohol poisoning. The junior gets busted and Sheriff Lamb and Clemmons pressure him to reveal who the pair got their fake IDs from. He names Veronica, and when Veronica’s locker is searched, a bunch of blank IDs are found in it. Veronica confronts this dude, because she didn’t give them their IDs and the guy claims that a secret club called the Tritons put him up to it.
Veronica tracks down the Tritons and catches them during their initiation ceremony. They’re made up of 5 seniors and half-way through the year or so 5 juniors are up also inducted that eventually replace the seniors when they graduate and keep the club alive. The members are typically popular, academically good, rich boys (think Skull and Bones on a high school level).
Anyways, turns out that the Tritons were not behind setting Veronica up, but before she figures that out, she takes a picture of them during the ceremony, capturing their identity. At the end of the episode, she promises Duncan (who was one of the juniors being admitted) that she’ll keep quiet about who’s in the club. So this episode we find out that Veronica knows JB is one of the Tritons from the picture she took last year. She threatens to create a webpage (that purportedly would be his) and post the picture on it, thus making everyone think he was betraying his membership in the club. JB backs down and admits what he did rather than be seen as a traitor.
Yeah, OK, so they have a club. Is there some implication that the club is involved in heavy shit, or do they just get together and get shitfaced? That’s the part I’m missing.
Further on Dick (in more ways that one): it should be noted that the dialogue implied that Dick’s encounter with Mr. Crossdresser included some intimate contact with the junk. He says something like, “What the hell was that thing?” and he/she responds with “What do you call yours?” Pretty clear implication that Dick got to know his namesake personally (maybe had it shoved in where it was not welcome?). Hence the violence of the reaction, maybe. That’s my take on it. Again, not something you’re likely to see in the average episode of Gilmore Girls.
Yeah, and this kinda pissed me off. I mean, c’mon, regardless of how big Neptune High is, is there anybody who wouldn’t know who Logan is? The son of ultra famous movie star now on trial for the murder of the most popular girl in school, himself an accused murderer, etc., etc.?
You’d expect from Hannah, “gee you’re kinda cute, but as my dad says you’re a murderer, I don’t think I can date you.” Or at the very least, “Geez you are really cute, and my dad might be wrong, but I think it would be a bad idea for my dad to see us together, so I’ll kiss you goodnight now and go wait for dad to pick me up by myself.”
You allow for certain (hell, a lot) of absurdities and providential coincidences in VM because the characters and dialogue are so good, but fer chrissakes they should try to make it a little bit real, ya know?
Probably just shitfaced, though we don’t know for sure. But from what I remember of the season one episode, there was some indication that they take the secrecy thing pretty seriously and harrass or otherwise make life miserable for anyone who spills the beans.
Well, Hannah should know for sure who Logan is, or at least have heard of him, I agree with that. I’d imagine he’d be the talk of the school. It wasn’t clear to me if she did or didn’t know of him in the episode. He asks her her name and then volunteers his without Hannah asking.
As for the thing about her father though… I’m not sure if she’d know her father is a witness in the case. Since Logan was arrested again for the murder we haven’t really seen any proceedings or progress other than that he’s now out on bail. The first time, if I remember what was said in the season two premiere, it went to the grand jury and then the prosecutor declined to prosecute. This time it doesn’t seem to have reached that stage yet, so Dr. Griffith hasn’t had to testify in court yet. Whether he’s been identified in the press as a witness in the case, we don’t know. You’re a lawyer, right? Is it possible that his role in the case wouldn’t be publically known yet?
Assuming it’s not general knowledge, he may not have told his daughter yet. He is doing something shady after all, and he may have been putting off letting her know. I agree if she does know about her father’s status as a witness, once she learns who Logan is (if she didn’t already know) then there should have been some indication of that.
Hmmm… It didn’t occur to me that Logan had sought Hannah out on purpose because of her Dad, though he must have, becaue he made a pointo of having Dr. Griffith see his face, come to think of it. That is mean, though he seems to actually like her. Just acting? Or mixing some fun in with the business?
I love Mac and Beaver together. I’d been looking forward to the continuation of that plotline. My favorite line of the whole night:
(looking at an escort service website)
Beaver: Bambi Gasm?
Mac: (British accent) Of the Boston Gasms?
Laughed really hard at that one.
It’s kind of odd to me that after the season premiere, Veronica could still feel nothing for Logan. How did that plot not resurface?
I think the scene (I’m blanking on which episode it was in exactly, but it was 4 or 5 ones back) where V breaks down crying, and then gets mad at Logan, after the incident in the bar where he pulls a gun, shows that she does still feel something for him (even if it’s not 100% clear what). I mean, she gets mad at him because she feels he’s endangering himself. She’s afraid he’ll get hurt or killed.
But she broke up with him because she couldn’t take the way he was acting over the summer, and then she was back with Duncan and was reasonably happy with that (even if that relationship had its ups and downs as well). So even now that Duncan looks to be gone (though, oddly, they haven’t removed him from the credits), she’s still getting over that, and it’s not like she’s going to run back to Logan because things haven’t really changed. The same reasons why she broke up with him to begin with still apply, more or less.
That said, I wouldn’t be suprised if it eventually does resurface sometime this season.
I don’t think any penetration was meant to be implied. Dick probably reached with his hand and encountered, um, his namesake. The hooker’s clothing appeared to be pretty much intact, so I doubt that Dick came face to, um, face with any errant organ. Dick’s spitting and wiping his mouth are as easily explained from wanting to remove any traces of saliva from having the hooker’s tongue in his mouth.
Two additional questions about the hooker are:
When Dick had Beav over the car threatenin to beat his ass, Beav said he’d make Dick suffer more, and said, “Remember Sally?” I for one don’t remember Sally. Was there a Sally or was this a cryptic foreshadowy sort of remark? and
Does anyone in their right mind believe that a transvestite or transgender prostitute would agree to a this scenario? Yeah hi, I’ve never met you and you have no reasonable expectation of safety, but would you meet someone other than me (who by the way is a minor) in a high school parking lot for purposes of springing your cock on him so that he’s humiliated in front of his friends?
