Veronica Mars 4/5/06

Cafe Society
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Allow me to quote myself, from this thread:

Gee, I think setting Thumper up

so he gets a stadium dropped on his head
qualifies as some nice fat revenge!

I liked the subterfuge of having all the high school romance drama working as a distraction until they (literally) dropped the big one at the end of the episode.

The only real quibble: the witness turned around way too easily (and off camera). Given his complaints, it should have taken much more work to convince him to come forward.

Overall though, a good, well-constructed episode.

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I see they switched VM to Tuesday nights. Now instead of competing against Lost, Criminal Minds and Heist, the show will compete against House, Scrubs and The Unit. Guess I need two vcrs.

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I guess having too many good shows is a much better problem than having no good shows. :slight_smile:

I’m not sure Weevil knew exactly what would happen to Thumper, though it’s reasonable to assume he’d end up dead. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. And in a roundabout way, Logan did finally kill someone although it was unintentional.

So what’s Cassidy’s deal? It has to be more complicated than simple shyness and inexperience. I have no theories at this time, but I’m very curious. And I hope he and Mac stay together, because they’re really cute together.

Mayor Guttenberg (sorry, County Supervisor Guttenberg) obviously has something fishy going on. Did he have something to do with the bus crash, even indirectly? There sure are a lot of little threads within the big mystery.

What the hell was with Logan’s short sleeved, argyle print t-shirt? Was he just wearing that because he was working at Woody’s office and it was a wry commentary on business casual dress, like the “Slacker” shirt under the tweed sport coat? Either way, it was hideous. I’m no fashion plate myself, so if I notice bad clothes they must be really bad. :wink:

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Veronica and Logan’s dance was kinda hot, in an awkward way.

Some very funny moments in the episode. V saying “shocker” and making a hand gesture, but doing it wrong and Weevil trying to correct her. Logan using Woody’s signature stamp thing to steal Lamb’s parking space. V and Lamb’s banter in the scene when she and Weevil first come to him (“Still picking winners, eh?” “When I get around to picking losers, it’s all you” or something like that). Gia’s rattling on, and Logan’s obvious annoyance.

And man, Thumper’s death. That was harsh. And I liked how all of the romantic relationships (Wallace and Jane, Beaver and Mac, Wallace and Jackie) pretty much imploded (except for V and Logan, which imploded long ago, but showed some signs of life last night) to match the stadium imploding.

Great episode, I thought.

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[QUOTE=cbawlmer]

Mayor Guttenberg (sorry, County Supervisor Guttenberg) obviously has something fishy going on. Did he have something to do with the bus crash, even indirectly? There sure are a lot of little threads within the big mystery.

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His story about the dvd and the gardener was an obvious lie. I’m not sure what he’s trying to cover up, but I thought it was interesting that we got our first indication that Keith is suspicious of Woody too.

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[QUOTE=cbawlmer]
I guess having too many good shows is a much better problem than having no good shows. :slight_smile:

I’m not sure Weevil knew exactly what would happen to Thumper, though it’s reasonable to assume he’d end up dead. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. And in a roundabout way, Logan did finally kill someone although it was unintentional.

So what’s Cassidy’s deal? It has to be more complicated than simple shyness and inexperience. I have no theories at this time, but I’m very curious. And I hope he and Mac stay together, because they’re really cute together.

Mayor Guttenberg (sorry, County Supervisor Guttenberg) obviously has something fishy going on. Did he have something to do with the bus crash, even indirectly? There sure are a lot of little threads within the big mystery.

What the hell was with Logan’s short sleeved, argyle print t-shirt? Was he just wearing that because he was working at Woody’s office and it was a wry commentary on business casual dress, like the “Slacker” shirt under the tweed sport coat? Either way, it was hideous. I’m no fashion plate myself, so if I notice bad clothes they must be really bad. :wink:
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No, I suppose Weevil didn’t foresee the details, but he must have known that Thumper was going down in a big way. I especially liked the subtlety of his plan: he didn’t take the bag full of money–like must dumb thugs would–but left it on the bike, to ensure that the Fitzpatricks would see Thumper as skimming from them and take appropriate (to them) measures. Nice. Plus, there’s nice irony in that Logan indirectly killed the guy for whom he would have taken the rap, had the charges not been dropped.

I was wondering about Beaver’s problem too. Blowing off Mac seemed out of character. But we know he’s got something at least slightly crooked going down with Kendall; I suspect he wants to save Mac from any possible blowback. Thus, he didn’t want to get too close. Or something like that.

And yeah, Woody’s so crooked it takes three strong men to screw his pants on every morning. The home movie is just the tip of the iceberg.

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At first, I thought the Fitzpatricks chained Thumper in the school and I was baffled.

Cassidy was cold, man. The first thought in my head was that he was abused. I don’t know where that came from.

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[QUOTE=Amok]
Veronica and Logan’s dance was kinda hot, in an awkward way.
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I think Jason Dohring (Logan) would have great chemistry with Julia Child. Seriously, is there anyone he isn’t smoking hot with? And it’s not 'cause he’s physically all that (though he’s cute enough), but his presence is just steamy!

Excuse me, I’ll be in my bunk.

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Jason Dohring is an excellent actor for the part, especially considering what a difficult role it is and how young he is. He and Veronica are such perfect rivals that they probably should be together.

Woody definitely has something screwy going on. And I think he must have had something to do with the bus crash; he told Gia not to go on the bus, after all. Is he so twistedly committed to this incorporation plan that he would get people fired up about the way the city police is being run by making the bus crash so voters would support his incorporation idea? It seems farfetched; there must be a more plausible reason.

I think Logan and Weevil must have been in on the Thumper set-up together, and somehow they knew that Thumper would wind up chained to the stadium. Then Logan decided that he wanted to be the one to kill Thumper. (Or something along those lines.) His expression when he pushed the pluger was just too smug and triumphant. Why else would Logan actually try to win the essay contest?

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[QUOTE=Zahava424]
Jason Dohring is an excellent actor for the part, especially considering what a difficult role it is and how young he is. He and Veronica are such perfect rivals that they probably should be together.
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I strongly disagree. They’re both too strong-willed. At least with Duncan, it was obvious who wore the pants in the relationship.

But I digress, this is television, not real life, so the pairing of two people who are completely wrong for each other is standard practice. (It’s so much more interesting that way! You know, the conflict and all!)

So what’s up with Beaver and Mac? I’m gong to jump out on a limb and say no, he’s not gay (that would be too obvious). And I’m guessing he’s plenty attracted to her – how could he not be? She’s scrumptilicious.

Maybe he has some kind of physical… abnormality that’s causing him to be shy. (Or would that be too taboo for network TV?) Judging by the way he reacted to Mac’s questioning, she definitely struck a sore spot (Pun! I think…).

Whatever his emotional baggage is, I hope it gets resolved. At the risk of sounding like a shipper, they are the CUTEST couple in the world and I would so cry if they broke up!!! (Knock on wood!!!)

Ahem. Oh yes, the mystery. The plot thickens! Did y’all catch the hint that the Guttenberg may be a closeted homosexual? Ya think it’s a red herring? Is Keith or Veronica going to discover something incriminating on that video? Does it have anything to do with the bus crash?

THERE ARE TOO MANY DAMN SUSPECTS! I love this show.

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Yeah, what was the deal with the near come-on with Woody and Logan in the weight room? That was just odd.

Woody also has that really psycho wife, remember? She’s the one who makes everyone keep their shoes in labeled baskets and has driven their young son nuts. They referred to her in this episode, but we’ve only seen her in that one episode.

Another funny bit I forgot to mention: I loved it when Logan had to swear on the bible and he pretended it burned. :smiley:

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I missed it because I forgot it was moved to Tuesday

This Mac of whom you all speak - is this the same Mac that was caught on video tape in the hotel elevator with Lamb? “She’s 18. It’s legal. Helluva campaign slogan!”

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[QUOTE=anyrose]
I missed it because I forgot it was moved to Tuesday

This Mac of whom you all speak - is this the same Mac that was caught on video tape in the hotel elevator with Lamb? “She’s 18. It’s legal. Helluva campaign slogan!”
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It doesn’t start airing on Tuesday until next week, the 11th. This episode was on Wednesday night.

Madison was the girl in the elevator with Lamb. Mac is the girl who helps Veronica with computer stuff and who is currently dating Beaver (Cassidy Casablancas). Madison and Mac were switched at birth though, which was revealed last season.

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The scene with Mac and Cassidy was just heartbreaking. She took everything on herself, asking if *she * was unattractive and insisting that she wanted to know if *she * was doing something wrong. And he still went from cute to vicious in 2.3 seconds and dumped her. Man, those teenage relationships are brutal.

As for Mayor Woody - I don’t think I like him for the bus crash, but I do want to know what he’s up to. I’m still wondering why the hell Gia is on the show. She’s been around since the first day of the season, in the background, but has so far had no actual role in events at all. The creators of the show obviously have something in mind for her, but what?

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On a side note I’m really happy to hear that this show is (almost certainly) scheduled for a 3rd season on the CW.

VM is one of the lowest rated shows on television, period. And yet it still manages to squeak by – it’s amazing. By all rights it should have been cancelled after the first couple episodes.

I think the fact that the head up UPN is a devoted fan has a lot to do with it. If only shows like Firefly or Wonderfalls had this kind of luck.

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My local UPN station pre-empted the Sunday night re-broadcast of VM to show the University of Wisconsin hockey team have a party. Major movement on what sounds like every single storyline going this season, and instead of my getting to watch it my asshole station broadcasts a bunch of meathead jocks thanking their idiot fans for all their support. I hope every single one of them gets weeping sores on their genitals (if they don’t already have them) and I hope the idiot anchorwoman at UPN gets run over by a train and I hope whoever decided that pulling the best show on TV and replacing it with Hockey Jock Hoedown gets a rebar through his spine.

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Is it just me, or was that 3 Rivers Stadium that they showed actually collapsing? I have to watch the tape again.

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[QUOTE=LateComer]
Is it just me, or was that 3 Rivers Stadium that they showed actually collapsing? I have to watch the tape again.
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You know, I’m not sure what stadium it was, but I remember thinking, “That’s a pretty impressive stadium for a town that isn’t even incorporated.” Next we’ll find out the town historical society’s museum looks a lot like the Louvre.

And you have my sympathy, Otto. Who wants to watch (or for that matter, televise) the prelude to the next college atheletes gang rape scandal?

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[QUOTE=Not A Tame Lion]
And you have my sympathy, Otto. Who wants to watch (or for that matter, televise) the prelude to the next college atheletes gang rape scandal?
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That’s uncalled for. There has never been to my knowledge a gang rape scandal at the UW. All the athlete-rapists here rape on an individual basis.

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[QUOTE=Otto]
That’s uncalled for. There has never been to my knowledge a gang rape scandal at the UW. All the athlete-rapists here rape on an individual basis.
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I am appropriately chastened; however, I was speaking more in general college terms, not singling out any specific campus. Frankly, at this point, I’ve long since lost track of who did what where.