Especially when the recaps are coming from an unreliable narrator in the first place.
Even with the open spoiler tag on the thread I am cautious on day of show release. So warning. Discussion ahead.
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What do we now think we know more solidly than we did before?
Let’s start small.
Wanda has control over Agnes by fear not by puppetry as she does many others.
And she has no power over her kids. (Join the rest of us parents Wanda!)
Her power of renanimated Vision corpse is not puppetry but of an independent very confused agent trying to work out his confusion.
I believe Wanda when she says she does not quite know how the hex was cast.
SWORD Director bad vibes clearly well placed. Is he of the same dimension of actually from a different line infiltrating this line of the multiverse for some reason somehow?
I think the nickname bit is not a throwaway. But in that vein - Am I misremembering? I thought Carol Danvers was never called Captain Marvel in the movies, at least yet. But Agent Woo said “Captain Marvel came close”?
I also wonder if that is foreshadowing some ultimate battle between Danvers and Wanda.
And yeah, multiverse with cross-overs.
I recall Spidey mentioning Captain Marvel as one of the “can’t somebody else handle this?” options in Spider-Man: Far From Home. (Granted, that was a few months later in MCU chronology, but I doubt that’s significant.)
That was a pretty amazing episode, and a knockout punch at the end.
What does everyone make of the commercial in the middle this time?
A poster called it almost exactly on the money, except one was done without a commercial:
It was a borderline horrifying moment when Wanda tried to use her powers to make her children sleep. Babies or not, mentally manipulating one’s own children, even “for their own good,” seems like a very steep, very slippery slope best not trod upon.
It’s interesting that Billy and Timmy appear to not only be immune to Wanda’s reality-warping powers, but also possess similar abilities. If the theories that some other entity is somehow assisting Wanda in all this are correct, perhaps the children, being a product of this altered reality, possess enough of its power that Wanda on her own cannot affect them.
It was a bit in The Umbrella Academy too, that as an across the line abusive use of power.
Oh nice - I had caught on to the previous trauma bit in the first couple episodes with the Stark and Hydra items, but I didn’t get the Lagos reference. Nice work, Bort.
See, I don’t think Wanda has control over Agnes at all. I think Agnes is actually the one behind all of this.
Reference to a non-specific ‘she’ when Vision’s coworker pleads for help. Wanda insisting to Vision that she’s not controlling events. Thoroughly confused by the appearance of Pietro.
I believe her when she says she’s not in charge.
There could be two Wandas too, if there really are multiverse shenanigans happening. The Wanda who came out to confront SWORD seemed pretty different from how Wanda’s been acting inside.
I love this idea. Wanda-in-the-show is our Wanda. Agnes is evil Wanda from another multiverse who never became good, and has nefarious motives. I hope you’re right!
I get that were supposed to see SWORD Director Guy as the bad guy - he was rude to Darcy! - but…I think he’s basically right. Wanda is a terrorist. She might not have any political goals, but she’s mind-raping an entire town - thousands of people. And it hurts. There is the element that we (and SWORD) don’t really understand what’s going on, so killing Wanda might actually make things worse, but…I think I would have given the order to take the shot, as well.
Or maybe you already knew that. I didn’t though. Ignorant of so much I am!!!
Thing is though that Wanda, if she is the standard MCU Wanda, recognizes him. While Darcy calls him a recast. So maybe this Wanda is not our Wanda?
BTW, it hasn’t been mentioned yet, but just to be clear in case anyone didn’t realize:
The Pietro that showed up at the end is
the version of Quicksilver from the Fox Studios X-Men movies. Disney now owns the rights to those, as well. This is not how I expected to see the first cross-over between the MCU and the FoX-Men Universe.
Which also ties into the speculation upthread about whether Director Guy is from an alternate universe. Is he from a universe where Wanda does have a nickname, and is known as the Scarlet Witch?
But Agnes seems genuinely scared of Wanda and of upsetting her, and is constantly drinking. Doesn’t strike me as someone “in control”, though she is definitely more aware than the rest of the town’s people.
He’s got Pietro/Quicksilver’s trademark silver hair, and is about the right age, and of course he calls her “sister”. I think Darcy just twigged right away to who he must be. I actually got the impression that Wanda was confused by his appearance, and only “recognized” him when he called her his sister.
I think the Elizabeth Olsen-Wanda is the mainline MCU Wanda, but another Wanda might be involved as well, possibly Agnes. That might be an older Wanda from another timeline where she was mentored by Agatha Harkness, and she’s taken on some of Agatha’s characteristics to camouflage herself in this timeline, and maybe to fill a similar mentorship role with “our” Wanda.
Great episode.
One thing don’t get, though - how did SWORD get Vision’s body in the first place? I’m guessing the surviving Avengers brought it back with them to the U.S. after the events of Infinity War, but I don’t really see Steve & Natasha handing it over to a government agency.
I don’t think this is a multiverse thing, a genuine alternate-reality Pietro. I think it’s just a random townsperson, like everybody else taking parts in the shows, who happens to have been pressed into the higher-profile role of Wanda’s brother. I suspect that this is the influence of whatever villainous presence is acting on Wanda, with the aim of giving her a familiar presence for some emotional comfort because outside forces are starting to destabilize the situation and the fantasy is threatening to break down. And the casting of Fox Quicksilver is just a wink for the superfans that isn’t intended to pay off in any complicated way.
That’s my preliminary guess. We’ll see how it goes.
Total chaos in the wake of the Snap, would be my supposition. Wouldn’t surprise me if the surviving Avengers temporarily lost track of him, or absently agreed to their caretaking of him and then forgot about it in their grief, or something else.
That actor is the Quicksilver of the Fox X-Men movies. His appearance is unlikely to be random or without consequence.
Hmmm. Could be.
I’m rewatching now. There’s the line when Vision says “You can’t control me the way you do them.” and she responds “Can’t I?”, makes the credits roll, and seems a bit taken aback that he keeps going with it over the credits. His claim is that it was subconscious at first that she only recently became aware of. Is she truthful when she says she doesn’t know what he is talking about? She never actually denies that she is control. She asks incredulously if he really thinks that and then states clearly that she doesn’t know how any of this started in the first place. I think the second half is true.
I also believe her that she did not make the doorbell ring. Her look on opening the door was not only one of confusion but surprise and shock. She recognized him. The crowd applause goes up before he says a thing. Okay, maybe she recognizes his trademark hair and figures it out? But it was before he called himself her long lost bro.
Wanda may not know how this happened, and may not be in complete control, but she was thinking she was.
Also I’m not sure what to make out of Monica’s reaction when Woo brought up Captain Marvel almost did, and her immediately changing the subject. It isn’t like there is any bad history between them. That we yet know of anyway. Unless she feels that Aunt Carol abandoned them.
And what were they doing with it? I don’t think it was Wanda ignoring the accords and Vision’s Living Will to not be developed into a weapon after his death.
If it is then it is a jerk move, not a wink, to superfans.