WandaVision on Disney +. Open spoilers

Hey! The mod said let it go!

I assume that the reason for the post was to make the “Let it go” joke, but in case you are serious, I didn’t think that discussion of characters and cross-overs were verboten in this thread.

Apologies if I am mistaken.

It was just a joke. Your’s was funnier.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the engineer actually is Reed, but I don’t think they’ll introduce him during the show. It’s more of a tease for Monica/SWORD to show up in the F4 movie.

Wandavision Boss Addresses the Show’s Biggest Criticism | CBR

Schaeffer also stated that she was unable to use certain characters for the show, saying that Marvel has its “ideas and larger interconnecting pieces.”

“So, there were characters that were suggested to me – a larger list of characters,” she added. “With Randall Park and Kat Dennings, I was like: that’s an excuse to work with two people I admire so, so, so much. And also, I saw a very clear way for them to fit in. I’ve worked on other Marvel properties before, and it’s always like, ‘Here are some ideas. Does this work? Does this not work?’ Everything needs to have a reason in order to be there, right? It’s not about shoehorning things in, which is why I think the movies and the shows work well, because there is an organic quality to all of those choices.”

I think you might be able to parse this to mean that they had wanted to use characters like Reed, but they were denied by Feige and others. I think the “Aerospace Engineer” line can be interpreted a couple ways…a wink to this restriction, basically the producers saying “I’d love to bring in Richards here but I can’t” when they change the topic, or else they plan to bring in a lower-level character on par with Darcy and Woo later.

Hey, if it ever snows in Westview, the twins build and Wanda animates Olaf! The cross-over merchandise sales will be INSANE! Plus, we could get a super fun musical episode!

No, no. No need for you to get up, I’ll show myself out now.

Maybe in the OVA’s.

One thing that’s been nagging at me is why, if Wanda was able to resurrect Vision, she is grieving at all.

Because that’s not actually Vision. It’s a partial simulacrum, based on her memories of him. He doesn’t have the original’s memories. He doesn’t have a truly independent personality. He only knows and remembers things that she decides that he knows and remembers. He’s a puppet. She allows him more autonomy than most of her other puppets, and he seems to be increasingly self-aware, but he’s clearly not the original Vision. He can’t be.

It’s an open question (though one that I imagine we’ll eventaully get the answer to) as to whether he has been truly “resurrected,” or if Wanda is using her powers to re-animate him, like a synthenzoid zombie.

Edit: what @gdave said, more articulately than I did. :smiley:

She knows it’s not really him but his reanimated corpse. It’s like the Black Mirror ep where the woman bought a robot that looked and acted like her dead lover but wasn’t really him … she cannot, at least so far, actually reverse death. Hanging onto this creation is pathologic grief rather than moving toward acceptance. Going backwards now with her brother recast as well.

He says that he doesn’t remember any part of his life before the WandaVision sitcom began. Even if she somehow does give him some sort of independent life, it still won’t be him.

Unless Wakanda has some sort of backup from when they were working on him. I’m actually a bit surprised that they haven’t called in Shuri, as she would be the most knowledgeable person about Vision, outside of Stark and Banner, and maybe more than either of them. (And obviously, Stark is unavailable, and I’m not sure of Banner’s current status.)

Difference is, Vision started out as her robot lover, and she’s trying to replace him with a more flesh and blood avatar.

Makes me wonder about the whole Sparky thing. There are no coincidences or accidents in Westview, so who brought the dog in, and who killed the dog? Was it an attempt to see her bring it back? To see if she could?

I see. That makes sense. I guess it wasn’t exactly clear to me what her version of Vision really is.

I’m pretty sure Agnes killed the dog. The question is: Why?

I don’t remember, but was Agnes wearing the brooch she always had in Episode 5? I don’t see where it would go on het aerobics outfit.

The brooch:

Vision already had the ability to look human prior to his death. I’m not seeing much difference in this portrayal of Vision and his portrayal in Infinity War.

If she did, maybe to get the boys to grow up? Pretty much every time she showed up, the boys aged. They were about to again after the dog died, but Wanda stopped them. As for why she wants that, I don’t know.

This is, of course, in the eye of the beholder, but I’m personally seeing a huge difference in his portrayal. He became more human-like across the various movies, but even by Infinity War, I thought Paul Bettany did a great, subtle job of portraying him as just slightly alien, a permanent outsider observing humanity who was also being drawn into becoming one but only ever partially. In WandaVision, in contrast, he’s certainly still an outsider, but in his interactions with Wanda, he just doesn’t seem to have that same subtle detachment. He’s just a stock sitcom oddball. Which makes sense, because as I wrote upthread, I don’t think this is really the Vision, this is a simulacrum based on Wanda’s memories of him, and her fantasies about him. She wants a “normal” life with him, so she acts like she thinks a “normal” wife would, and she’s shaping his personality to be more like what she thinks a “normal” husband would.

I think we started to see some of the original Vision surface in the last episode, in his argument with Wanda, as he starts to assert some autonomy and real self-awareness.

I’ve actually been really impressed with the subtle acting Bettany and to a necessarily lesser extent Elizabeth Olsen are doing in this series.

That seems the obvious choice, so I don’t know that I trust it. As to why, she is currently “resurrecting” Vision, so I would think that it would be a test to see the limits of her powers. To see if she can bring Sparky back, and if so, how she does it, and what the effects on Sparky are.

Fair enough, and it was meant mostly as a joke. But she could have chosen a different setting in which he would not have to hide. They weren’t married with a house and kids either. Pretty sure that most of the time they spent together, they were on the run. She may not need him to actually be flesh and blood, but it does seem as though she wants him to be more “normal”.

before posting, I see that this is a bit ninja’d by gdave.

I’ve read enough Stephen King to know that nothing about resurrecting any pets would be a Bad IdeaTM

In infinity War, I did not get the impression they were both on the run together, but were instead sneaking off from the Capulets and Montagues.

Wanda was on the run, Vision was sneaking off to meet her. But it seemed like both sides (Stark and Rogers) knew what was happening.