That timeline didn’t really “lose” the Space Stone, it’s just in a different part of space (and we’ll be seeing what happened in the Loki show). Plus, this is Captain America we’re talking about.
He’s just handing it over to Hydra basically. True without it, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver don’t get created and Vision isn’t created…in THAT timeline. I dunno. Sokovia doesn’t get Ultroned either. Seems worth thinking about.
This IS a Cap who stole some Peggy from her destiny to meet another guy and have their kids.
So what’s the theory on the last commercial? so far they were all based on her traumas: Stark toaster, Von Strucker watch, Hydra soak and Lagos paper towels. This last one though, Yo Magic yogurt? the commercial seemed like some Faustian bargain or deal with the devil, giving the kid what he wanted but in a way that backfired on him. That might just be what is going on right now.
I think it’s about survivor guilt.
The second movie was “The Parent Trap”, so maybe Tommy & Billy will find some way to bring Wanda and Vision back together. Either that or Lindsay Lohan will show up as the X-men universe’s Wanda.
I think he’s supposed to symbolize the Red Skull and the Soulstone. Each commercial deals with an Infinity Stone…I think.
So far each commercial has dealt with an event in Wanda’s life.
Agreed. Her current trauma. Dealing with grief and looking to magic to satisfy her hunger for what she has lost. So close, in her hands, but still not relieving the grief. Not actually saving her.
So who’s the shark in this?
And if this is present trauma what do the commercials do from here?
Glad someone else caught the “Kick-Ass” Easter egg.
I was pondering if the intersection of the Blip and the Hex somehow trigger mutants or superpowers. We know Monica was blipped and then passed through the hex twice, once under Wanda’s power, and she’s demonstrating some weird biology now.
Maybe as suggested it takes several trips before the changes manifest. Darcy’s comment seems to validate that theory. But I also wonder if the blip is a prerequisite.
I’m wondering if there’s significance to how Billy and Tommy acquire their powers. Did they simply age into them? Did the contact with Peter cause it? Did Wanda grant them as part of the Hex? Were they willed into existence by the kids themselves. One for greed of candy and one to save Vision.
I think the movies on the marquee could be significant. The Incredibles seems like a pretty obvious reference to the Maximoff family and the kids gaining powers. But The Parent Trap is a little less direct. But it’s not totally off since it’s about twins who stage events to try to get their divorced parents back together. Will the Maximoffs ultimately team up to fight the big bad? Will Billy and Tommy team up to trick Vision and Wanda to reconcile? Will Wanda and Pietro team up to unite their parents?
I was trying to find significance in the names that show up when Darcy is hacking Hayward’s computer and when sending emails but other than CATARACT there’s nothing obvious to me.
Still more hints about Monica’s friends and I still don’t have any great ideas. There is a rumor of a “Mandalorian level cameo at the end of Wandavision” and I assume that’s where it’s leading. It’s the most obvious Chekhov’s Gun in the show so far.
We had another reference to Carol Danvers, so there’s that. But that wouldn’t be all that surprising if she showed up, and I don’t thing that fits with the show so far.
Darcy wasn’t shown inside the Hex so she’ll definitely be someone significant in the sitcom, not just a circus performer. Presumably Vision will wake up and free her and they’ll discuss the situation next episode.
I agree that Agnes, after Vision freed her from the mind control, was acting a bit off. I’m not sure that she was entirely lying about Wanda though. She definitely seemed to be in despair and that seemed authentic, if she was trying to misdirect Vision I think she’d have held it together better. Maybe this is the Agatha Harkness origin story instead of her being the cause off this or a agent ring to influence it. Maybe in this world Wanda creates Agatha.
With Hayward’s entire SWORD contingent gobbled up, I wonder what his next move is. He’s kind of on his own with only a couple henchmen in the car with him. Obviously he’ll have access to reinforcements but that would take time.
I can’t decide if Peter is on the up and up or not. He’s obviously a lot more clued in than everyone else, but does that mean he’s consciously trying to influence, break or free Wanda? Or did Wanda just conjure him to be that way? Or is he simply less vulnerable because he’s a super or her brother? I can’t tell if he has agency or if he’s just Wanda’s subconscious breaking through.
It’s a little weird that Vision seems to be able to break anyone he wants free from Wanda’s direct control but at the same time seems to not know what’s going on. He’s not exactly playing along, but he’s also seemingly able to override Wanda. My gut is this is just lazy writing but it strikes me as odd. Why doesn’t Vision just break the spell on everyone to end their suffering?
About the suffering, Peter suggests that Wanda is being pretty humane with how the people are being controlled. He also hints that maybe not since he’s sort of asking and not telling. Unclear. Obviously from Vision’s POV the people are suffering horribly, so maybe that was Wanda’s subconscious creeping through. Maybe Peter questioning her is her questioning herself.
When Wanda expanded the Hex she seemed to go a lot farther than just recapturing Vision. Was she overreacting? Was she intentionally neutralizing SWORD? Does she not have fine grained control over the Hex? Just an excuse for the writers to have a disaster film like scene with people driving away barely escaping a quasi-avalanche?
Agnes was dressed as a witch which is a clear hint at Agatha. Misdirection? Herb was dressed as Frankenstein, is that a hint at something? Any characters that might symbolize? Someone turning on their creator?
Phil initially seemed like he was being set up as an important person in the show, he had a fair bit of screen time in the first couple episodes but he’s basically disappeared. Probably nothing to see there.
I was trying to figure out what horrible life changing event in Wanda’s like that the Yo-Magic commercial symbolized. We saw some pretty clear allusions to Lagos and Sokovia in the others. In this one I couldn’t find it. It showed a person stranded and starving, it showed a shark, it showed the person unable to access Yo-Magic. It showed a (not silver) surfer. What is this? Am I forgetting a plot point where Wanda was rendered powerless or hungry or alone?
This is maybe a spoiler from the show’s cast list, but James Spader is listed as Ultron. It could be nothing, just included because they used his voice in the scenes or a flashback, but could also hint that he’ll be brought back by SWORD as they obviously are targeting Vision here.
Her brother died and she couldn’t use her magic to save him, could just be about survivors guilt.
She wasn’t there when he got shot. That’s pretty thin compared to the other fairly obvious references.
Well …
Your spoiler box goes along with my far out idea! Ultron was a Frankenstein’s monster, with Stark as Dr. Frankenstein. But Herb as Ultron in this? I don’t think so. I think more Hayward as Ultron’s useful idiot, and the Bigger Bad triggered by the events.
Rendered alone and powerless to do anything about it??? It’s her theme. The survivor of her parent’s deaths, Pietro’s death, Vision’s death … now trying to use magic to create a world that gives her Vision and Peter and a family even … but …
Pietro - he is more aware because he is a fully created thing from Wanda’s psyche - Vision is who she grieves/loves/needs wants - Pietro is her ‘conciences’, thats why they are talking freely and reassuring “but its ok, right?” Basically, her arguing with herself over the actions shes taken.
I thought it was interesting that Frankenstein asked Wanda if she wanted something changed.
The Incredibles - lots of meanings there - I still think its alot of “World hates the supers” as well as the obvious ties to the kids having powers and a ‘super family’. The Parent Trap - well, the parents are trapped.
Back to Hayward - the speech/rant that he goes on about the blip/5 years - there’s alot we don’t know thats fueling his crusade.
Good insight.
The kid being unable to escape an island might be a reference to he being imprisoned on the Raft at the end of Civil War.
The police car actually does say “Eastview”, at 7:59 into episode four.
Could not be as certain on their shoulder patches, but before they walk away it does look like more of an Ea than a We. The cruiser door insignia is clearly E.
At the time I figured Wanda did a little reality altering just outside the Hex, just as with memories. Possible the memory/reality change flowed outwards for some distance before she pulled it back into the barrier?
It’d be funny if they had been leaving the city limits just as the Hex was formed, breaking through as ‘50s police/car/equipment.
My hypothesis here is that Wanda, seeking assistance with her Vision quest (heh), solicited the help of or was independently contacted by Agatha Harkness. Agatha agreed, making a deal serving some private interest or purpose (probably related to the children, if we assume they’re loosely adapting comics backstory). But Agatha lacked sufficient ability on her own, and appealed to Nightmare (I’m guessing) for additional help. Nightmare then sensed the true potential of Wanda’s power, whereupon things spiraled out of control beyond Agatha’s initial intentions. Which has left her trapped inside the simulation along with everyone else (Ag atha Hark ness), except that she has a lot more knowledge about what’s happening and what’s at stake, and further has a vested interest in the outcome (i.e. her original purpose in getting involved). Right now I’m guessing alt-Pietro is a direct or indirect manifestation of this higher malevolent force; quizzing Wanda on how she achieved the current reality warp could be an exploration in how to expand the Hex bubble worldwide, so it can feast on everyone’s literal waking nightmare.
He doesn’t really know who he is, beyond the basics. He has no memory of anything prior to this new reality. In this episode he was confused about his membership in the Avengers. He’s proceeding step by step as he pieces together his understanding of the situation, but it’s reasonable that he wouldn’t want to do anything precipitous. It may feel to us like he lacks urgency because we’re seeing this story a week at a time, but for him, as far as we know, this is unfolding in a matter of days, with the last couple of episodes clearly an acceleration.
I don’t think it’s the past. I think it’s the present. The product’s tagline is “I’m eating yo’ magic.” Which could be a literal statement of Nightmare (or whatever) feeding on Wanda’s powers.
Oh, and one more thing, going way, way back upthread:
I agree with you that trying to bring the X-Men into the current incarnation of the MCU would represent an uneasy merger. This has nothing to do with the messiness of the X-franchise’s continuity, or the expiration of the actors’ contracts leading to re-casting, or swamping the movies with more characters than the plots can handle, or any of those kinds of practical logistics.
No — for me, it’s a matter of the basic thematic basis of the two storytelling worlds, and this is something that holds true in the comics as well. Avengers-type heroes are generally admired by the public — maybe uneasily, and maybe not entirely trusted, but essentially acknowledged as a net force for good. The mutants of the X-Men, by contrast, are feared, shunned, marginalized. This is built into the DNA of their stories. It’s why we have famous covers like this.
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This fundamental disconnect was never reconciled all that well in the comics, in my opinion. Even when they’d cross over and have one of the X-Men working with the Avengers, they almost always had to expend some narrative shoe leather on this mutant having earned sufficient trust to warrant the role, or overcoming the perception of being an outsider in the group, or some other angle. And it always seemed odd — this group of superheroes is generally respected, but this other group of superheroes is viewed with suspicion, because reasons. The comics seem to know this, too, which is why the X-titles usually have their heroes off in their own corner of the world, doing their own thing.
I don’t see the movies bridging this divide any more successfully than the comics did. They’re foundationally conceived as two different kinds of stories. Let them be that.
The tv shows within the show itself are generally going up by decades, but not exactly. Stylistically changing with each age progression. So what kind of progress comes after Malcolm in sitcoms? Mockumentary style. My guess for next theme is Modern Family.
Agreed. I love the X-men - my favorite super hero group by far - but they belong to a different kind of story.
Either Modern Family or The Office would be my guess. The former fits better with the whole suburban family sitcom milieu.
Speaking of sitcoms, both Kat Dennings (who plays Darcy Lewis) and Randall Park (who plays Jimmy Woo) were both previously on sitcoms - Two Broke Girls and Fresh Off the Boat, respectively. It would be very funny, not to mention extremely meta, if they both turned into their respective sitcom characters after they get swallowed up by the Hex.