Your attitude and doubt and badmouthing of God
Give it up, DavidB. Your sly attempts to conceal your lack of faith have been exposed.
The best lack all conviction
The worst are full of passionate intensity.
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I find your lack of faith disturbing…
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Oh man… I’m reading all these LB threads… while they are certainly very amusing, they also scare me, because those people are OUT THERE and I might actually have to deal with them sometimes… worse yet, they might have the opportunity to influence children! Need a thousand reasons why I don’t follow Christianity? Read the posts by the LB’ers. Need several thousand more? Read the threads on their own board.
My religion is so much nicer… smile and sigh
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Spiritus said:
Yes, but my sarcasm apparently went completely unnoticed by him.
David, I think you may have been whoooooshed. Spiritus Mundi is a regular, and I’m pretty sure he knows where you stand vis a vis the existence of a deity.
Other than yourself, of course.
(It’s just so liberating to have a fallible god.
kaylasdad99, I think you may have been whoooooshed. I am pretty sure the “him” in DavidB’s post referred to our new buddy GodlyGuy.
The difference being?
Paul Yeah
No wonder why eastern religions appeal much more to me than fundamentalist christian theology. At least in some Eastern religions, one who does go to hell after death CAN work his way up to heaven (At least in many of the indigenous Philippine theologies).
For those so inclined to read about indigenous Philippine cosmology: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9845/spirit.htm
I take the “all religions have a piece of the puzzle” approach to my personal theology (which isn’t strictly Christian, but it isn’t strictly anything else)
It’s worth the risk of burning, to have a second chance…
Spiritus said:
Precisely. That’s why I added the “him” reference, so nobody would think it was you to whom I was referring!
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Amy Grant is going to Hell!!
Nav, so far I’ve been my own “…light, life, peace, joy, happiness, contentment [and] love…” and I’m not doing such a bad job of it either. I’m tired of the coddled, middle-class Christians telling me how wonderful He is. In the interest politeness I’ll refrain from saying the things about Him that He deserves. Suffice to say, I have certain sympathies with BeerUser and what he said on the Atheist Religion thread.
I am my own god and I make my own rules. Leave me alone.
Eeek eeek – Boo, the giant miniature space hampster
Wasn’t it God’s idea for Mr. Lucifer to torment Job. As far as I recall it goes something like this.
God: I’m so great and everyone loves me so much and there’s nothing you can do about it. I’ll bet that guy’s soul, Job’s, that you can’t get him to convert.
Lucifer: It’s a bet. What’ll we do to him?
God: Give it to him real good and if he renounces me, you can have him.
Lucifer: This is gonna’ be fun.
God: Yeah!!!
If anyone is interested, I read a funny book called “Job, A Comedy of Justice”. I’m not sure who the author is, but it’s as valid a theory as any religion I’ve ever heard of.
Eeek eeek – Boo, the giant miniature space hampster
Job: A Comedy of Justice was written by Robert Heinlein in the late 80s or early 90s. Even for the low standards of late Heinlein it is inexcusible drivel. It is almost as bad as his Number of the Beast.
Oh, and inertia, you also show that you have no idea what the story of Job is in the Bible. Jewish tradition has nothing about Lucifer, the antagonist in Job was Satan, the Adversary. Think of him as the prosecuting attourney in YHWH’s court. The test was to show that a man with strong Faith while he was comfortable should not lose his Faith when things went badly for him.
That being said, I hate the story of Job. Call me a revisionist, but I wish the writers could have better articulated YHWH’s answer. I KNOW God could do better than “Because I’m bigger than you; you have no right to question me” but I suppose the writers were limited in their mental tools to an autocratic vision of authority.
DrFidelius:
Yes, it is drivel.
Eeek eeek – Boo, the giant miniature space hampster
First: I believe in G-d.
(I will clarify for you folk who think that you have the pipeline to truth. I will NOT spell the Name out, because to do so would be to state that this board, or any internet site, is a holy document and cannot be destroyed save by burning. That’s MY religious faith.)
Second: I’m faithful.
Third: I don’t believe Jesus loves me, since he never met me in his lifetime. I wasn’t alive back then.
Fourth: You won’t change my mind. If the fact that the world didn’t come to an end on New Year’s, as many “Jesus saves” folk believe was in biblical prophecy…then I would suppose that it wasn’t Armeggedon. If it wasn’t Armeggedon, I was right in believing that the “bible prophecy” so many “Jesus Saves” folk believed in was wrong.
Now, I’m not specifying Christians. Because “Christians” and “JS” people are DRASTICALLY different. It’s the ones who force their religion on me that classify as JS sorts.
Fifth: I don’t need anyone to pray for me without me giving them permission to. I don’t want to inadvertantly do what I consider to be a blasphemy. You see, to me, there is one G-d, not three. And I can NOT bring myself to believe in a Trinity and still be monotheistic. I don’t believe that Jesus fulfilled even half of the prophecies of Ha-Mosaich, so I can’t believe him to be THE Messiah. Yet to come, in my belief. And that won’t change for you trying to inadvertantly cause me to worship break the commandment “Thou shalt have no G-d before me.”
Sixth: I’m NOT going to Hell. What you say is just opinion, just as my opinion is that my faith is right. But the difference is, I believe in ONE G-d, so I believe that the method you worship G-d in is truly irrelevant. I won’t force my religious practices on you, because I know you worship the same G-d, you just have to break him down and name him (even though G-d himself refused to give a Name save “I am the Name” in Moses’ times.) That’s your need. Not mine. Don’t force it on me.
As for those of you insulting the BT (ask Lauralee in private what I mean by BT) who started this thread for stating what her belief in Hell is, please think. By insulting her (or him), you are in fact becoming no better than she (or he) is. You’re stating she’s wrong, but not giving her (or him) the respect that her (or his) opinion is right for her (or him.)
The only true way to gain Peace with G-d, in my opinion, is to respect that G-d made us all, and gave us all our respective religions. Respect each person for their religon, because it’s not the method that counts, its the faith in and of itself.
And if you’re an atheist…that’s your choice, too. What matters most, I guess, is truly that you’re the best possible PERSON you can be. Whatever your religious doctrine, if any.
What good is it to be a devout Christian/Jew/Islam/Buddhist, if you also go out and hurt people with your intolerance?
For the BT who started this thread, my suggestion to you is that you think about trying subtle examples of “Good Christian Behavior” by BEING a “Good Christian,” rather than preaching and using the sledgehammer routine. You’ll sell your religion better that way. More people will buy.
For the others, I suggest you remember: Even if she’s been brainwashed, her religious beliefs are her choice, and she’s no less wrong to believe in Jesus than you are not to.
sigh I can sense it already. Every single BT is going to come down hard on me for not being willing to accept the propaganda, and every single non-BT is going to come down hard on me for not being willing to insult a person wantonly.
slips on the flame-retardent suit and cap
Wish me luck!
Well, while I object to being called a salesman, I understand what you’re saying. And as a resident BT, I understand that you must thump just hard enough to get their attention. Not hard enough to break any bones. That’s no way to witness any religion.
Heck, I’ll ask Lauralee in public: What’s he mean by “BT”?
Well, duh! Of course this site is holy. All hail Cecil!
Duh. Waitaminute. BT = Bible Thumper, yes?
Sorry, my brain was apparently set to “slow” for a moment there.