[QUOTE=VCO3]
I think that if people don’t want to drink alcohol, they’re entitled to order whatever they want to in a restaurant. Why should they feel pressured to drink?
I have never spit in, nor claimed that I have spit in anyone’s drink.
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Ah, the same mistake as mine. AA stands for African-American here. You can see what she’s getting at now…
[QUOTE=VCO3]
Just for the record, I want to establish that I have never, EVER spit in anyone’s food or drink, nor have I EVER claimed to have done so. The only place that little tidbit is coming from is the pre-menstrual poster’s hysterical O.P.
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I’m pre-menstrual? You direct a “fuck you” at me and my response must be due to the fact that I’m pre-menstrual? How patronizingly dismissive of you! Unfortunately, the fact that you have to take refuge in that old saw indicates that although you may have a dick (unlike poor me), you don’t have the ability to deal with my post on its own merits.
See, “hair-pulling mad-woman-in-the-attic” I kind of like. It’s got a Jane Eyre, Wild Sargasso Sea feel to it. More inventive – and less generic – than “ooh, she’s mad, must be menstruation!”
But let’s review. What the person who originally posted said (and I’m not naming him/her because this is not his/her fight) was: “Why on earth -why on earth- would a customer berate and belittle, insult or attempt to humiliate, or otherwise fuck with me when they know -they know- that I know that I’m about to bring them something that they are going to put inside their body. Something with which I can have easy, accepted, intimate contact with. Some alone time, if you will.”
Now, you are correct that it is not explicitly stated that what we’re talking about is someone contaminating the food, but that is an iminently reasonable inference. And the oft-repeated – if largely fictious – way for wait staff to contaminate diners’ food without the diners’ knowledge is to spit in it.
You say you would/will “fuck with” the customers “in ways the don’t even know” – but, gosh, you don’t mean that! You only meant serving them food off the floor. Is it too much to ask that you recognize that this is at best a lateral move from food that’s been adulterated with your saliva or skin?
[QUOTE=Roland Orzabal]
I’ll give an example. When I was GM at a local sandwich restaurant…
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You’re a gem, Roland, and the world of retail and service needs more people like you and less people like me. I give you that, 100%.
But I hope you realize that you’re one in a million, and the other 99% of managers would have probably fired that girl on the spot, regardless of any extenuating circumstances. That’s doubly true for chains.
[QUOTE=VCO3]
I would be 100% comfortable with pawning that ring instead of throwing it into a dumpster to watch the girl “dig through the trash while crying in her high heels.” Where’s the outrage at THAT guy?
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For my part, I expressed an “IMHO” level of outrage at 'that guy" in the thread. But he’s not the only who threw a “fuck you” at my head.
[QUOTE=Zabali_Clawbane]
Wow, look at you squirm! I figure the asshat who threw the ring in the dumpster has, or will get their cosmic beating in due time. I hope Karma has it’s slow, painstakingly detailed excruciating way with them as well. However, you have repeatedly said you’d sell the ring. That’s theft. I really, really don’t like thieves. (ETA: Not even those who give the appearance of being one as part of “tough guy” talk.) FUCK YOU PRICK!
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Nothing tough about it. It’s not like I said I’d beat her up and rip it off of her finger. But hey, if it’s lying there, I’ve got rent and bills that I’d love to take care of! 
And she doesn’t even have to be degraded like she would be if she had to dig in the dumpster. Maybe she’ll even get a chance to buy it back!
[QUOTE=VCO3]
I’m sorry - could you point out a single instance where I’ve mentioned spitting in drinks? I’ve never once talked about that. That was a fabrication of the OP’s, and that’s it.
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Well you did talk about it, but it looks like I misremembered what you said.
[QUOTE=VC03]
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Fortunately, I have absolutely no qualms about exacting swift and immediate revenge when I go to make their drinks. When you treat me (or my coworkers) like garbage at the register, you forget that we have complete control over what does or doesn’t go into your drink. I’m not talking about doing anything harmful or illegal like spitting or sticking my pee-pee into the drinks; that would be absurd. But don’t think I won’t make you the worst cappuccino of your life if you’re a dickhead!
If you think that the fact that some people have to work in service positions gives you the right to shit on them, read up and keep this OP in mind the next time you go to order that latte.
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My Bolding and resizing.
So, I apologize for accusing you of spitting, but maybe you can see where some confusion from that sad thread could creep in.
Meanwhile, have you or haven’t you served floor dropped food?
Jim
I cannot keep up with this thread and BTW Jodi, awesome pitting, I stand in awe of your ability.
Be it known, that when we do go out to eat (very rarely, if we go it’s for things like our Anniversary) we tip 20% as a matter of course, it’s planned into the cost of the meal. We also don’t make a lot of strange requests, and are generally easy customers.
[QUOTE=VCO3]
I have never spit in, nor claimed that I have spit in anyone’s drink.
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Look, sometimes when the grownups are talking, they use what we call an “example” (the “e” is silent) to prevent tedium.
In this particular thread, the grownups are using “spit in a drink” as such an “example;” it’s quicker to say, “when you spit in a drink, you are a miserable little coward,” then to say “when you spit in someone’s drink or drop their food on the floor or serve them day old food or stick toast down your pants or deliberately put dairy in the drink of a person who is lactose intolerant or stick your bathroom dirtied finger in their coffee or steal their stuff or throw their stuff in the dumpster just to humiliate them or pee in their coke or fart on their chicken, you are a miserable little coward.”
[QUOTE=Zabali_Clawbane]
Wow, look at you squirm! I figure the asshat who threw the ring in the dumpster has, or will get their cosmic beating in due time. I hope Karma has it’s slow, painstakingly detailed excruciating way with them as well. However, you have repeatedly said you’d sell the ring. That’s theft. I really, really don’t like thieves. (ETA: Not even those who give the appearance of being one as part of “tough guy” talk.) FUCK YOU PRICK!
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Zabali, are you PMS’ing? You seem somewhat upset and as we all know that is the only possible reason why.
You can always tell when VCO3 has spit in your food. It tastes of unwarranted bitterness.
[QUOTE=VCO3]
It’s not just that thread, though the attitudes of “i don’t HAVE TO FUCKING TIP” and “FUCK THE SERVER - he’s there to SERVE ME!” were certainly prevalent there. It’s any time a thread like this comes up on the board. ANY time someone working in a retail or service position has the AUDACITY to complain about the customers, the SDMB “fuck ‘the help’” squad comes out in droves.
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Dude, I’m not on that squad. You know that. I’ve vented my customer service woes here, supported people who were doing so, and argued against their detractors many a time. When it comes to customer service folks, I am 100% in favor of standing up for yourself, not allowing yourself to be demeaned and dehumanized, and then blowing off steam during the off-hours with a long, well-earned vitriolic rant.
Revenge, though, is another story. It’s not just wrong, it’s counterproductive; it furthers the mentality that we all might as well just be dicks to each other. Being an asshole is bad. Not allowing other people to be assholes to you is good. Allowing people to be assholes to you for the sake of your job…sucks, and I don’t recommend it, but I’m not going to look down on someone if they have to do it. What do you accomplish, though, by taking the abuse – thereby appearing to condone it – and then getting the customer back with an “attack” they’ll never even realize occurred?
I humbly suggest the thread title should be changed to “VCO3 will steal your ring and pawn it if you piss him off!” :mad:
[QUOTE=VCO3]
It’s not just that thread, though the attitudes of “i don’t HAVE TO FUCKING TIP” and “FUCK THE SERVER - he’s there to SERVE ME!” were certainly prevalent there. It’s any time a thread like this comes up on the board. ANY time someone working in a retail or service position has the AUDACITY to complain about the customers, the SDMB “fuck ‘the help’” squad comes out in droves.
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I’ve seen some posters express expectations toward retail employees and waitstaff that I personally find a bit unreasonably high. This is night and day between your idiotic pronouncements of mass hatred and resentment.
You are the last person to effectively make a case against overly demanding attitudes toward waitstaff, because you’re dumb. A non-dumb person would not use so many generalizations and exaggerations that their argument can be immediately dismissed as the nonsensical ravings with no basis in reality. Maybe work on being less dumb before you jump other people’s shit?
[QUOTE=VCO3]
I would be 100% comfortable with pawning that ring…
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That has to be one of the most reprehensible things I can think of; it’s not that it’s just someone’s property, it’s that it has a HUGE amount of sentimental value attached to it. To be honest, throwing it in the dumpster is a lot more kind than pawning it off.
I’ve done my fair share of mean things to people, but I’ve always drawn the line at ruining something that has meaning for someone. Imagine if the ring was something that had been passed down for generations, and now it’s likely gone forever? I can’t imagine the amount of heartbreak that would put a young woman through. I’m not really a sentimental type, but I would be devastated if something that important were taken away from me. Granted it’s just an object, but still; it represents so much, both in terms of financial and emotional investment. And if I ever found out who it was that had pawned it, I would not hesitate to use all of my spare income, time, and energy in making sure that person received justice. Preferably through the legal system if possible, but I’d even be willing to stoop to hypocrisy to mete out what they’d deserve.
[QUOTE=Jodi]
Zabali, are you PMS’ing? You seem somewhat upset and as we all know that is the only possible reason why.
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Nah, I haven’t had a period since that partial hysterectomy. They took out my utereus, dontchaknow. 
(Still have my ovaries though, and am on Prempro because of the fibroid growing on one is making them sputter, as the OB/GYN called it.)
[QUOTE=Jodi]
See, “hair-pulling mad-woman-in-the-attic” I kind of like. It’s got a Jane Eyre, Wild Sargasso Sea feel to it. More inventive – and less generic – than “ooh, she’s mad, must be menstruation!”
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It’s Wide Sargasso Sea. You need to (ahem) bone up on your feminist literature before you try to get all uppity with me.
[QUOTE=Jodi]
But let’s review. What the person who originally posted said (and I’m not naming him/her because this is not his/her fight) was: “Why on earth -why on earth- would a customer berate and belittle, insult or attempt to humiliate, or otherwise fuck with me when they know -they know- that I know that I’m about to bring them something that they are going to put inside their body. Something with which I can have easy, accepted, intimate contact with. Some alone time, if you will.”
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Again, you’re either confused or are intentionally trying to confuse matters. That was another poster, not me.
[QUOTE=VCO3]
It’s not just that thread, though the attitudes of “i don’t HAVE TO FUCKING TIP” and “FUCK THE SERVER - he’s there to SERVE ME!” were certainly prevalent there. It’s any time a thread like this comes up on the board. ANY time someone working in a retail or service position has the AUDACITY to complain about the customers, the SDMB “fuck ‘the help’” squad comes out in droves.
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I think you see what you want to see. NOBODY said anything approaching this in the linked thread. The closest it got was for people to point out, correctly, that no, they “don’t HAVE TO FUCKING TIP.” This is strictly correct. Those same people ALSO said that they personally ALWAYS tip, except for completely shitty service, and that people who don’t are assholes.
Seems like you’ve got a hammer, so everything you see must be a nail.
[QUOTE=VCO3]
It’s not just that thread, though the attitudes of “i don’t HAVE TO FUCKING TIP” and “FUCK THE SERVER - he’s there to SERVE ME!” were certainly prevalent there. It’s any time a thread like this comes up on the board. ANY time someone working in a retail or service position has the AUDACITY to complain about the customers, the SDMB “fuck ‘the help’” squad comes out in droves.
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I think you see what you want to see. NOBODY said anything approaching this in the linked thread. The closest it got was for people to point out, correctly, that no, they “don’t HAVE TO FUCKING TIP.” This is strictly correct. Those same people ALSO said that they personally ALWAYS tip, except for completely shitty service, and that people who don’t tip are assholes.
Seems like you’ve got a hammer, so everything you see must be a nail.
[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
I got over any issues I might once have had with spit, shit, piss, vomit, mucus, blood, and equine vaginal fluid a long, long time ago.
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Great line! 
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Oh, and VCO3? You give sociopaths a bad name.
[QUOTE=VCO3]
None of this changes the fact that it’s so wonderful to see someone like you have their faith in the goodwill of servers shaken down to its very core. Your food will be fucked with, your experience ruined, and you’ll never know it. That’s the best part about it!
People want to believe that they can get away with treating servers like garbage without consequences. They want to believe that the type of guy that’ll do something to your food is limited to one bad apple out of every thousand.
It’s not - I’ve worked at almost every level of food service from fast food to banquet hall type places to a country club, to your average chain restaurant and coffee shop. The amount of food-fuckery that goes on is huge. You don’t even want to know the things that I’ve seen others do on a near-daily basis, and they weren’t nearly as sociopathic as I am.
And here’s a secret - the women in service are twice as evil as any guy I’ve ever known. I’ve met Madame Dufarge herself in a very popular chain restaurant.
I don’t work in service anymore. I realized it was making me a completely insane person and filling me with rage, so I moved on for the betterment of myself and of all humanity.
I do want to apologize for saying “fuck you” in that thread; I was thinking it was in the Pit. My mistake!
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None of this changes the fact that it’s so wonderful to see someone like you have their faith in the goodwill of soundpeople shaken down to its very core. Your music will be fucked with, your experience ruined, and you’ll always know it. That’s the best part about it!
People want to believe that they can get away with treating soundpeople like garbage without consequences. They want to believe that the type of guy that’ll do something to your music is limited to one bad apple out of every thousand.
It’s not - I’ve worked in almost every level of music venue from bar to club to arena. The amount of sound-fuckery that goes on is huge. You don’t even want to know the things that I’ve seen others do on a near-daily basis, and they weren’t nearly as sociopathic as I am.
And here’s a secret - the women in sound are twice as evil as any guy I’ve ever known. I’ve met Ronald McDonald in a very popular chain restaurant.
I don’t work in sound anymore. I realized it was making me a completely insane person and filling me with rage, so I moved on for the betterment of myself and of all strident, annoying, and pretentious aesthetes.
I do want to apologize for saying “fuck you” in that thread; I was thinking it was in the Pit. I’m a fucking moron!