There’s only one problem with that logic. Back then, Sayid was just trying to find the source of the transmission. Presently, Locke is really excited about opening the hatch. I can’t see Locke be excited by finding out the secret of the hatch, yet wanting to foil an attempt to find the source of the broadcast. That just doesn’t seem consistent to me.
Rousseau said “the Others” control the power/broadcast, so I’m guessing that she was referring to the Others that Ethan hangs out with. Ethan has more of a motive for wanting the broadcast source hidden (if he’s sitting right on top of it and doesn’t want visitors).
Two trees, actually – and most definitely. Just after Boone says, “and that’s when he did this”, the camera angle switches to a shot with Boone on the right, Shannon on the left, and behind them in the distance you can see one tree, partally blocked by Shannon’s head, and the other, just to the left of Boone’s face. There’s a thinner diagonal branch that crosses in front of them. This shot is there for about 5-10 frames before they start uprooting. Frame advance shows the left one starts coming up first (a couple frames before the right starts up).
(I’d post a couple of screen captures, but I’m not sure if that would be kosher with the mods).
Yep, there was definitely a bird’s eye view. I didn’t take this to mean a flying thing, though – just something very tall. Robot T-Rex?
Interesting thing – some others have pointed out that TCM always seems to have some kind of metallic sound to it. In looking back at it, I noticed that when Shannon is picked up, there are definite metal scraping sounds – like the sounds you hear in LOTR or such movies when swords are drawn or used.
Monstre. I’m so jealous of you. Would that I possessed the software to make screen captures and frame by frame analysis of scenes. I am impressed with the producers’ ability to keep TCM hidden even under these circumstances.
Thanks for the e-mail with the screen shots, Monstre. With the eight screen shots you sent, it is easier to see the trees and how they were uprooted. Forced with this evidence, I have to concede you’re probably right and to damn my lying eyes.
Hmf. I still think Locke whacked Sayid. First chance Locke gets he alludes that Sawyer’s motives to sabotage the triangulation were that Sawyer is currently profiting from the tragedy and might not want to leave the island. First thing I thought was, who’re we talking about, Locke – him or you? Pots and kettles, yo.
Actually, I saw it with the VCR, too – just pausing and frame advancing. Although when I first watched it, of course that scene took me by surprise, and I thought maybe-just-maybe that was a glimpse of the actual TCM (all excited-like), until I went back to watch again.
Although you’re right in that it’s all a moot point if this is pretty much a hallucination thing. And I’m still intrigued by the metallic sounds that accompany it.
While I’m still leaning toward a mechanical/human explanation for the phenomena surrounding TCM appearances, it sure looks an awful lot like H.P. Lovecraft’s description of The Dunwich Horror.
If Locke uses a bug-sprayer full of home-brewed chemical soup to render a myriad-tentacled thing with a half-a-storey high half-human head visible, I’m gonna be choked.
Way back in the first ep thread, I postulated Monsters from the Id™ as a possible TCM explanation. (Finally, another Forbidden Planet fan!)
With what we saw happen to Boone in this ep, I think it’s now a very real possibility. Locke has accessed the Krell/Others mind enhancer and now wants to get into the planet wide, I mean island wide, machine. That’s why he’s so intent with that door. And also explains why he doesn’t want anyone he can’t control to know.
*I think Locke was only partially familiar with survival. I think he read up on everything and probably dabbled with knife throwing. But I think that if he had gone on the Walkabout, he would have been out of his element.
Notice in the Walkabout episode, Locke is determined, but not actually skilled.
Until he looks into the eye of the island. I think it woke up and actualized him. Just a theory, but you can bet on it!
Question regarding the 2.5 hour window in the flight time- How does this mesh with Sun’s “last call” opportunity? I don’t recall the details, but KNOW they were standing right behind Jack.
While Jack and Jin are standing in line, we do hear a “last call” (or perhaps “now boarding all passengers”) over the PA for an Oceanic flight to Singapore.
I pointed this out in another thread as evidence that the flight was headed to Singapore. Others replied that Jack and Sun&Jin were still at the check-in counter and had not even cleared security yet, so it was unlikely to be their flight (or that they could hardly make it to the gate, if it was.)
The announcement is explained as just another Oceanic flight departing, but not the one our castaways will be on.
If so, that means the show creators would insert a PA message about another Oceanic flight just to add color to the scene.
Is there no definite answer on the Web as to whether this was a direct Sydney to LA flight?
Locke was upgraded by the island, that was made very clear. You think it just stopped at being able to walk? The knife, tracking and weather prediction (along with hunting) skills were all things that Locke was quite keen to be. The island gave that to him, but as we have learned all things come with a price- in this case Locke has gone native and won’t hesitate to do what the island wants him to.
Locke doesn’t want to leave, and likely doesn’t want the others to leave either. I picked him for the radio smash job when it happened and still do.
Also, the garing plot hole regarding everyone’s amazing dis-interest in the homocidal maniac on the island and the kidnapped woman (even after getting 2 more pistols and ammo!! :rolleyes: ) is baffling. Even if she was annoying and such, they still have a crazy hobbit hanging, woman stealing nut case around. I know, lets ignore the situation and wander through the forest alone. Its like watching a horror movie, and the person going to “investigate that creepy noise” alone.
Oh, and even with the “step” sister clarification, that just wasn’t right. :eek:
Actually, Locke’s training comes by way of the FBI. He was a top agent for several years before being coopted by a shadowy, cult-like group that ostensibly worked as consultants on mysterious crimes but was actually obsessed with the end of the world, which they saw happening in the year 2,000. After this failed to occur, he suffered a mental breakdown which caused his amnesia and hysterical paralysis. Note that he’s been in a wheelchair for four years as of 2004.
If I were one of the show’s head writers, I would have the castaways (a) arguing about whether or not to continue organizing search parties, with one side saying “we can’t abandon her” and the other side saying “we don’t want anybody else to die” and the latter prevailing for now while the former fumes in frustration, and (b) setting up guard duties and perimeters and stuff to protect their established position. If they did this much, I wouldn’t have any problem at all with their failure to go looking for Claire. People are funny when they get scared; it would be easy to justify their sheeplike retreat to a position of perceived safety and their selfish abandonment of the kidnapped woman to her fate. They just haven’t done it, y’know?
Let’s not forget that they also have another problem that may seem to them to be more at hand: FOOD.
They’re complaining about having ravished the nearby fruit trees and that the boar are gone. So, maybe they are just being being narrow minded and selfish.
Then again, their foraging parties may be continuing the search as they can.
Lastly, I’m sure some of them think Gentle Boone and Locke the door are still searching while they hunt.
I’d been keeping my opinions to myself this week because I got here so late and everybody’d already said the good stuff, but you just made coffee come out of my nose, and I thought you deserved to know that.
Holy crap. I grew in Central Illinois - anybody else here “walk beans” in the summer? Datura is aka jimson weed, and I cut lots of 'em. Never had any trips despite getting sap etc. all over me.
p.s. A friend of mine plated some in Fort Worth Texas as landscape plants. Yeah, they are pretty plants, but in Illinois, you can be fined for allowing a “noxious weed” to spread.
