Not to distract too much from the Auto/FF bandwagons (which I am happy to support but feel there’s no need to rush) but …
Ya think there’s anything to be gleaned from FCOD’s false miller claim?
(I forgot about that one when I said in my above post that I was accepting all the role claims at face value.)
Why would he say he blocked Malacandra twice? I don’t think he (Mal) has twigged my radar one way or another.
(Also in that post above, I kept saying “PM” meaning Pygmy Rugger, for no reason I can think of. Apologies to all for the confusion and to Pygmy Rugger in particular for totally and repeatedly messing up your name.)
Based on pimaspinner’s analysis of Autolycus I looked up the post where he listed his suspicions (post 1522), and of the confirmed/claimed player-roles:
Blaster Master (vigilante): “I didn’t trust him earlier, but now I do. He’s either honest or the Godfather, IMO. Regardless he’s a major player in this drama, so whatever happens to him, solid information will come.” chrisk/JSexton (presumed Doctor): he’s guessing Mafia Flying Cow of Doom (Mafia): he guessed Mafia, but made a joke out of it (one that I made first, which proves Auto is a thief! ) to imply that it’s not a serious accusation–but perhaps something he could point at later to “prove” he was on the trail of the Mafia? Gadarene (town): firm accusation of him being Mafia kivvik (Mafia): had “???” Menocchio (strongly presumed town): godfather, but admitted he had no evidence nesta (Mafia): he guessed town pimaspinner (beat cop): he guessed Mafia Pleonast (Mason): wanted to say Mafia Suburban Plankton (Mafia): he wasn’t sure Winston Smith (townie): “Either mafia or a really dumb townie.” zuma (Mason): he didn’t know
Vague enough (“guessing Mafia”, “leaning town”) to be able to backpedal if needed. The only people he put strong opinions down for were Queuing as Mafia and Rysto as town (because everyone was backing Rysto as town, probably, and to buck that trend would have been suspicious).
I think pimaspinner might be right. Auto was probably hoping to get investigated fairly early on due to the Mafia-speak and get vindicated as a simple (yet annoying) citizen.
Are we still holding off voting for Autolycus until he comes in?
He’s stalling people…:::crosses arms and taps foot on the floor::::…if he can’t come up with anything better than that, I’m all for getting the bus warmed up for his trip to the forbidden thread.
I want to hear from Fern Forest. He’s oddly silent. :::crickets chirping:::
Correction: Are we still holding off voting for Autolycus until he comes in and defends himself? Or is he waiting for us to hit 10 votes before he opens his mouth?
Yes, well, a few pages ago I said we need to look very, very closely at the people who desperately wanted **JSexton ** dead. **FCOD ** was the biggest, but that’s moot. So much for what I thought was my big contribution. MadTheSwine didn’t believe JSexton, but…it’s weak.
I don’t believe **Autolycus ** has any intention of posting a defense, since he keeps poking his head in here to increase his ratio of pointless to worthwhile posts. I am going to vote for him, but I don’t want the clock to start until **FernForest ** chimes in.
I will agree with Lakai, and Aguecheek, but I forget the reasoning for Pygmy Rugger. Could anybody refresh my memory? (please? I don’t want to go through 50 pages!). I had no real feeling either way about glee, I just find it odd that scum were going after her. It seems like an easy place to throw a vote without any real danger of getting lynched. I find it odd that people just throw votes out. Sturhmhauke did the same thing with Nesta.
Personally, I think this is in favour of Malacandra. He was hoping that he would be believed, and not forced to test I suppose. He said me at first because of the large amount of distrust I had built up before the day 2 fiasco. He put Malacandra in there because he hadn’t been on any radars, and he knew he wasn’t scum. FCOD was hoping, I suppose, that he would live another night, that we would waste a cop investigation on someone who he knew wasn’t scum (and could have been SK for all he knew) thereby saving a cop investigation on a potential real scum. That is my read on it at least.
The only time I remember Pygmy Rugger getting multiple votes was when he said that some people had posted that they were gonna be gone for a couple days. Someone noticed that they hadn’t and theorized that meant those people had posted such comments on the Mafia board and PR forgot which board he read them on.
I forget who the people were. And I don’t remember if that’s the only time he was suspected. And I’m not going through 50 pages of thread right now either.
I’ll repost the reasoning for my suspicions about Pygmy Rugger from post 2439. I will add a summary (in case I wasn’t clear):
Remember when Blaster Master claimed and there was all kinds of chaos that led to two townies getting smoked? How did we decide on those two townies? Pygmy Rugger was just as suspicious as the rest of them in the beginning but somehow avoided the noose. I suspect he was one of those mafia laughing their heads off as the townies chased after our shadows.
Repost:
Smoke and mirrors as outlined above [i.e. posts with lots of sound and fury but no accountable finger pointing]
His role in that day of role claim craziness that ended with the conditional which took out two townies. Here is the vote count at post 1062, just before BM claimed:
Quote:
7- Blaster Master - (Queuing, hocow, pimaspinner, Pygmy Rugger, ArizonaTeach, Gadarene, Winston Smith)
5- Pleonast - (Fern Forest, Fretful Porpentine, Kat, Lakai, Suburban Plankton)
4- Pygmy Rugger - (MTS, FCoD, Menocchio, glee)
4- Queuing (kivvik, StarvingButStrong, zuma, Pleonast)
3- Gadarene -(Smitty,Blaster Master, nesta)
Note that Pygmy Rugger is right in there. Then BM claimed vigilante (post 1085) and all hell broke loose.
How did Pygmy Rugger get dropped from the suspicion list? There was no defense and no reasoning for unvoting him, but somehow he got unvoted and two townies got dead.
This is Suburban Plankton (known scum)'s outline of the options from here
Quote:
There are four people who between them have made about a zillion and one posts “today”. Those people, along with their “primary suspects” are:
Blaster Master: suspecting Gadarene and Queueing
Gadarene: suspecting Blaster Master and Pleonast
Queueing: suspecting Blaster Master and Pleonast
zuma: suspecting JSexton, Gadarene, Queueing, and pimaspinner
Why are Pygmy Rugger and for that matter Lakai left off that list? PM was doing plenty of pointing, and had much pointed at him, but he’s not in this roll-up. Lakai was more of a pointer than a pointee that day but he’s also not included among those who have made a “zillion and one” posts. Pygmy Rugger reposts this list shortly thereafter, perhaps to encourage people to forget that his name belongs there too?
Here he says Blaster Master came up with the Vig conditional idea, which is untrue - StarvingButStrong did, here PM appears to me to be (a) building suspicion of BM and (b) supporting the idea that will lead directly to multiple townie deaths.
This conditional (minus Pygmy Rugger, of course) is supported by Malacandra (status unknown) in #1266; FCOD (known scum) in #1268; and nesta (known scum) #1288 before any known or suspected townies jump in.
And, on preview, his urgency to get Auto lynched today, and the day done, seems mighty funny to me.
Okay, I said I wasn’t gonna look at 50 pages, but since cowgirl gave me an ending point to start at, here’s the story of Pygmy Rugger’s 4 votes: Post 785 referring to glee, Winston Smith and storyteller0910:
Post 802, MadTheSwine quotes post 785 and says “I have only read through the last 10 pages once …I don’t recall any one of them saying such a thing.Course I may have missed it.”
and then in post 860 votes for Pygmy Rugger, saying:
Inpost 871, FCoD votes for Pygmy Rugger, based on MadTheSwine’s posts.
In post 886, Menocchio votes for Pygmy Rugger, also based on MadTheSwine’s posts.
Unless glee, Winston Smith and storyteller were all Mafia, which we know is not true, MadTheSwine’s theory was false. So, the only vote with valid reasoning behind it is zuma’s.
Based on signal vs noise ratio, I’m more suspicious of Autolycus’s posts right now than Pygmy Rugger’s. Especially since Auto is refusing to make any sort of response.
Thanks Kat. Geez, you try to make a blanket apology and then BAM! someone still gets offended! Sorry, I will try to remember glee.
Thanks cowgirl. I mostly meant why BM suspected him, and how he garnered those 4 votes to begin with. I just don’t remember anything particularly about him/her that is all.
I am assuming that the rest of this day (however long we let it go on) will be used to hash out some more suspects and decide who pima at least should investigate? Not that we have to direct him/her. Hell he has done an excellent job so far!
Personally I don’t find his actions today to suspicious. I sort of want this day to end as well, just to get this game moving. I realize that it isn’t necessarily the best thing, and don’t want it to end today, but I really so no need to go past Friday at like noon or something. Plus ending it on Friday forces the scum to think about this game during the weekend, when it seems more people are unavailable. Any little advantage you know?
Waiting for Autolycus to make some sort of defense isn’t going to happen. At least I don’t think so. If he claims to be a miller we already know what to do. If he claims to be Doc, well to little to late for him. We kill him first, if it turns out he is the doc well JSexton comes next. If he claims to be GA there is no guarantee that role even exists. If he claims to be a vanilla citizen, we have killed our own before, no biggie if we do it again. So personally I don’t really care what he says, in my mind we have proven that he is the GF.
On preview, thanks Kat. If that is all it is, I really think we have better targets. Such as Aguecheek and lakai, not to mention glee and (IMO) sturmhauke.
My order of advice for investigations would be:
glee
lakai
aguecheek
sturmhauke
pygmy rugger
On further preview it seems Autolycus is trying to convince us he is the beat cop. Not buying it unless he names names right now.
) to imply that it’s not a serious accusation–but perhaps something he could point at later to “prove” he was on the trail of the Mafia?
Sorry, I will try to remember glee.