Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!)

The Game Room
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[QUOTE=StarvingButStrong]
Snipping math – I’m sure you’re right, but…

What I’m really asking about is, well, I voted for Aguecheek (giving my reasons) and several others also voted for him, for their own reasons, mostly. Then he says he’s a beat cop.

If he is, good for us. And bad for him, probably, since the Mafia will off him sooner or later. (Your ‘inevitable demise’ line from above.)

But what if he really is mafia? As someone pointed out above, it’s damn easy to fake being a BC if you are mafia, given that you know who all the mafia are. All you have to do is claim you investigated whoever and say whatever you want was the answer you got. Investigate a scum and say he came back town? You provide some cover for that scum. And when the truth comes out… Whoops, got bitten by that 50% wrong thing. “Investigate” a townie and say he came back as the Guardian Angel? Why not? Hell, “investigate” a townie and say he came back as town – why not?

How many days could a ‘fake’ Mafioso do this without us being able to say for sure that he’s not a Beat Cop? Longer than this game will last, probably.

It just seems like a perfect cover for a Mafia.
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Yes, I think sooner or later a supposed Beat Cop has to die and the town have to make what they can of the results, which will be presumed true or false based on the supposed Cop’s actual role. It’s hard to fit into a role-playing paradigm but just from the point of view of the game I guess it becomes necessary. (Excuse me. A friend dropped by this evening and after a few beers plus some Calvados, metaxa and brandy I am quite mellow, and not 100% coherent.)

Sorry if all this math is not altogether helpful but each to his own. Others have tried analyzing posts and, as previously mentioned, this is still resulting in a lot of town dying and not much scum. I know that I don’t need to finish this game alive to end up on the winning team and the best I can do for the town is to crunch numbers and consider logical possibilities.

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[QUOTE=Lakai]
Blaster Master lays suspicion on me for defending Autolycus. **Auto ** turned out to be town. The only other uncertain person we did not know about was Fern Forest. Was that it? The fact that Fern Forest turned out town, was that the clincher for you?

It seems a little suspicious of you that you ignore the fact that I was right about defending **Autolycus **and still say that every person I defended was mafia.
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Bah! Did you even read what you wrote? Basically your defense to BlasterMaster for all your actions was something like - I voted for them because that’s what I thought I should do.

You never explained why you thought someone needed lynching just that you thought that they did. Yeah, there was that thing about a network of people, but I think you were just trying to flush out some masons. Seems that you ID’d a couple too, doesn’t it?

The real clincher was not Fern Forest. It was the compilation of all the things that Blaster Master pointed out.

So what if you defended Auto? You were the only one who did. He was acting so screwy that one person’s defense would not save him from the gallows.

Besides, why are you getting so defensive when ONE person - just me - acuses you? You have one vote against you and five days to worry about. Methinks you want to convince everyone else that there is no need to go digging through your past posts.

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IIRC Rysto is generally trusted because he posted a spreadsheet a while back, as well as coming up with some very townie sounding advice way back on like day 2. I think he has given some “at the time sounded very townie” advice more then once. Due to this he has not pinged anyone’s scumdar. Regardless I think we can ignore him today as he will not be here at all for this day cycle to defend himself.

I like what you have done brewha. I like the investigations of other people. It is necessary to do this if we will have any chance of winning at all. This day needs to last a long time, maybe the limit, and we need to have discussions of as many people as possible.

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So you don’t have to go searching: (Plus I found out I already did Monkey Mensch and without the tequila!)

Kivvik

Suburban Plankton

FCOD

Malacandra and Malacandra Analysis

hocow

aguecheek

Monkey Mensch

Storyteller

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[QUOTE=Queuing]
So you don’t have to go searching: (Plus I found out I already did Monkey Mensch and without the tequila!)

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Q, you’ve been doing astounding work for the town. Let me take this post to apologize for having suspected and voted for you back on Day 2.

Also, I feel guilty for not helping out. You have done Aguecheek, hocow, Malacandra, MonkeyMensch, and Storyteller. Brewha/BlasterMaster have done Lakai. Sturmhauke and Pleonast are masons. We seem agreed that Mennochio was the ‘breadcrumb.’ If Q isn’t a townie, well, I just don’t believe she could be mafia after so much work – and it pretty much has to be straightforward reporting/analysis or surely a ‘victim’ would have raised a ruckus by now.

That leaves yet to be dissected: ArizonaTeach, Brewha, Cowgirl/Smitty, FretfulPorpentine, Kat, PygmyRugger, Rysto, and StarvingButStrong.
So I’ll volunteer to do Starving.

:wink: Yeah, I guess not. Queuing, would you like to assign someone to me? (I say that figuring you’re probably halfway through someone else by now, and why duplicate effort? Also, if anyone else in engaged on an ‘autopsy’, please speak up for the same reason.

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I’m willing to do one, too (slight preference for Smitty / cowgirl because I’m curious about him / her, but I’ll take what I’m assigned). However, I probably won’t be able to post anything until midday tomorrow at the earliest.

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[QUOTE=brewha]
I went through all of Blaster Master’s accuasations and he has all the posts I listed execept for 2012 and 2066. He also has a few I didn’t list.

How did Lakai live this long? String him up I tells ya!

I think Blaster Master wasn’t entirely trusted at the time he made his case against Lakai, but we now know whose side he was on.
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brewha- unless I’m getting confused, pima checked out Lakai the night before last and reported him as town. I realize that’s not exactly definitive (insert discussion of exactly how definitive it is or is not here), but it’s good enough to push him down the FoS list a bit, I think.

Question for all - I know that there’s been some vague suspicion directed against MonkeyMensch, but I can’t seem to figure exactly why. I’ve browsed his posts but am not seeing anything particularly egregious. Can someone summarize the case of People v. Monkey?

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[QUOTE=storyteller0910]

Question for all - I know that there’s been some vague suspicion directed against MonkeyMensch, but I can’t seem to figure exactly why. I’ve browsed his posts but am not seeing anything particularly egregious. Can someone summarize the case of People v. Monkey?
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Oops… just saw that Queuing did a Monkey breakdown already. Time for some light reading.

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[QUOTE=brewha]
Monkey was one of the first that swayed the vote from Fern Forest to Suburban Plankton. If he was scum, why would he do that? It would have been so much easier to just keep his mouth shut. As it turned out, Fern Forest lived (at least thru the lynching) and Suburban Plankton got lynched.
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Just want to say this impression of MM is not even close to correct.

pima claims 1970 then FCOD claims at 2017 . The first vote for SP is BM at 2045 . MM then votes for FCOD, 2.5 hours after the claim, here at post 2071 . At 2082 glee FOS SP but votes for FF . There is then a bunch of unvoting for various people, voting JSexton and Fern Forest but mostly JSexton which forces him to claim at post 2150 . I am the first to unovte him at post 2158, 20 mins after his claim followed by sturmhauke and BM who votes again for SP with my vote for SP at 2173 . glee joins again, but had always wanted SP . This goes on for a while, with ArizonaTeach first voting and then unvoting SP but his reasoning is to save the doc. Lakai suggests not voting for SP . Here is when Monkey Mensch finally votes for SP

So I am just saying you are wrong on this too. Sorry, because I like that you went back and are going after Lakai, but I needed to point this out as soon as I realized it.

This makes me think Monkey Mensch is part of the Mafia even more then I did before.

Fretful, Lakai said s/he was going to be “looking at cowgirl’s posts” already, so I would suggest someone else. You want to do, say ArizonaTeach?

StarvingButStrong, you want to do brewha?

My next target is pygmyrugger.

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Bah, empty post, how did that happen? Thank god I always copy and paste a big post before I hit submit :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=brewha]
Monkey was one of the first that swayed the vote from Fern Forest to Suburban Plankton. If he was scum, why would he do that? It would have been so much easier to just keep his mouth shut. As it turned out, Fern Forest lived (at least thru the lynching) and Suburban Plankton got lynched.
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Just want to say this impression of MM is not even close to correct.

pima claims 1970 then FCOD claims at 2017 . The first vote for SP is BM at 2045 . MM then votes for FCOD, 2.5 hours after the claim, here at post 2071 . At 2082 glee FOS SP but votes for FF . There is then a bunch of unvoting for various people, voting JSexton and Fern Forest but mostly JSexton which forces him to claim at post 2150 . I am the first to unovte him at post 2158, 20 mins after his claim followed by sturmhauke and BM who votes again for SP with my vote for SP at 2173 . glee joins again, but had always wanted SP . This goes on for a while, with ArizonaTeach first voting and then unvoting SP but his reasoning is to save the doc. Lakai suggests not voting for SP . Here is when Monkey Mensch finally votes for SP

So I am just saying you are wrong on this too. Sorry, because I like that you went back and are going after Lakai, but I needed to point this out as soon as I realized it.

This makes me think Monkey Mensch is part of the Mafia even more.

Starvingbutstrong, would you like to do ArizonaTeach?

Fretful, Lakai has said that s/he will be “taking a look at cowgirl” so I don’t know, want to do brewha?

My next target is PygmyRugger.

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[QUOTE=Fretful Porpentine]
I’m willing to do one, too (slight preference for Smitty / cowgirl because I’m curious about him / her, but I’ll take what I’m assigned). However, I probably won’t be able to post anything until midday tomorrow at the earliest.
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Ditto here. I’d be happy to do one (it beats doing five!), but I would not be able to do it until Saturday morning, because I don’t have access to the board at work, and I am babysitting my niece tomorrow night. (Although I may be lucky enough to be able to do something after she goes to bed.)

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Is this what you meant to say, Queuing?

[QUOTE=Queuing]

[QUOTE=brewha]
Monkey was one of the first that swayed the vote from Fern Forest to Suburban Plankton. If he was scum, why would he do that? It would have been so much easier to just keep his mouth shut. As it turned out, Fern Forest lived (at least thru the lynching) and Suburban Plankton got lynched.
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Just want to say this impression of MM is not even close to correct.

pima claims 1970 then FCOD claims at 2017 . The first vote for SP is BM at 2045 . MM then votes for FCOD, 2.5 hours after the claim, here at post 2071 . At 2082 glee FOS SP but votes for FF . There is then a bunch of unvoting for various people, voting JSexton and Fern Forest but mostly JSexton which forces him to claim at post 2150 . I am the first to unovte him at post 2158, 20 mins after his claim followed by sturmhauke and BM who votes again for SP with my vote for SP at 2173 . glee joins again, but had always wanted SP . This goes on for a while, with ArizonaTeach first voting and then unvoting SP but his reasoning is to save the doc. Lakai suggests not voting for SP . Here is when Monkey Mensch finally votes for SP

So I am just saying you are wrong on this too. Sorry, because I like that you went back and are going after Lakai, but I needed to point this out as soon as I realized it.

This makes me think Monkey Mensch is part of the Mafia even more then I did before.

Fretful, Lakai said s/he was going to be “looking at cowgirl’s posts” already, so I would suggest someone else. You want to do, say ArizonaTeach?

StarvingButStrong, you want to do brewha?

My next target is pygmyrugger.
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You didn’t close the quote tag on brewha’s quote, and it was discovered elsewhere on the board that doing that results in a blank post. But you can see it all when you reply with quote. So I just quoted your post and closed the quote tag.

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[QUOTE=brewha]
Monkey was one of the first that swayed the vote from Fern Forest to Suburban Plankton. If he was scum, why would he do that? It would have been so much easier to just keep his mouth shut. As it turned out, Fern Forest lived (at least thru the lynching) and Suburban Plankton got lynched./QUOTE]
Just want to say this impression of MM is not even close to correct.

pima claims 1970 then FCOD claims at 2017 . The first vote for SP is BM at 2045 . MM then votes for FCOD, 2.5 hours after the claim, here at post 2071 . At 2082 glee FOS SP but votes for FF . There is then a bunch of unvoting for various people, voting JSexton and Fern Forest but mostly JSexton which forces him to claim at post 2150 . I am the first to unovte him at post 2158, 20 mins after his claim followed by sturmhauke and BM who votes again for SP with my vote for SP at 2173 . glee joins again, but had always wanted SP . This goes on for a while, with ArizonaTeach first voting and then unvoting SP but his reasoning is to save the doc. Lakai suggests not voting for SP . Here is when Monkey Mensch finally votes for SP

So I am just saying you are wrong on this too. Sorry, because I like that you went back and are going after Lakai, but I needed to point this out as soon as I realized it.

This makes me think Monkey Mensch is part of the Mafia eve more.

Ok, so you want some assignments do you?

StarvingButStrong, want to do fretful?

Fretful, want to do starvingbutstrong?

Kat, hmm, no partner for you! Well, how about brewha?

lakai said that s/he was “going to be taking a look at cowgirl” so lets see what that comes up with.

I do think it is necessary that you post actual links to the individual posts. To do this click on the post number and open in a new window or tab, or whatever, then using the insert hyperlink in advanced post copy the URL.

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Sure, sounds good.

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Or I could do StarvingButStrong, as you seem to have suggested in your third post. Either way’s fine.

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Ah thank you Kat! That was driving me insane!!!

That works, Fretful you can do ArizonaTeach**

StarvingButStrong can do brewha

Kat can do Fretful.

That sound good?

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Yeah, I think that’s better than having me and StarvingButStrong investigate each other (because if, hypothetically, we were both scum, that would not be good). Better to have people investigating and investigated by two different parties.

3059

Sounds good to me.

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Sign me up. I’ll do whoever you want, or I’ll pick someone if you prefer.