As you said, the lowest posters have role claimed, and some of them have even been proven.
I didn’t vote for hocow because someone else already had, and I was hoping that voting for someone different would get that someone different to speak up.
I don’t think a single vote is going to get a person to speak up, especially since Freful hasn’t been all that absent recently.
And I was actually also suspicious of hocow based on posts 3115, 2869 and 2407, but I wanted to see your reaction to a vote with about as much substance behind it as your vote for Fretful had; it’s nice to see you at least aren’t being hypocritical and condemning that sort of vote.
In posts 3115 and 2869, hocow stated that Malacandra had been pinging her radar for some time, and that she had stated so before, but post 2407 is the only “FOS” post I was able to find prior to her vote (and the FOS was based on him not commenting on the Autolycus as Godfather discussion).
Of course, now I find out I was wrong. Looking a little further back, I found post 1773, where she mentions it there, too. And who knows, maybe there’s more. It was the whole SK accusation/“ho-ly cow” thing. And I was actually involved in that discussion!!! I jumped all over Malacandra for it. And somehow apparently completely forgot it or something. I have never been so embarrassed in all my life.
I will now unvote hocow and slink away to hide under a rock.
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Rysto is correct. 8 to start the clock.
I’m still here. Postin’ late at night again.
I’m not too comfortable with the “lynch the lurkers” ideas floating around. Goodness knows I’m nowhere near the most prolific. I think a lot of us have been somewhat surprised that this game takes up as much time as it does. It’s a lot easier to read ir when you don’t have to really read it.
But I’d still like to here from some of the others besides myself, if nothing else than a “checking in” post.
I’m still here.
Only thing I can think of to add is that I agree that it does seem suspicious that Queuing is still alive. I’m hesitant to say that though because I have had him labeled as most likely town in my head. I’m sure that that may very well be true, and that there are other, non-scummy reasons that he is still alive.
Someone upthread mentioned that the mafia may be trying to get unknown players in an attempt to get the SK. That seems like a good strategy for the mafia, really. But that doesn’t explain Queuing as he has only claimed to be vanilla flavored.
Honestly, he is putting alot into his posts and analysis, and I’m unsure that the mafia would put so much work into it. His posts are designed to help the town. Unless he is the SK, and trying to weed out who everybody is to help him achieve victory…
No vote yet, I need to look over a few things, and other players.
Seriously, people. Get your votes out there. No, I’m not saying that we should all vote for one person to end the day early. I’m saying votes lead to discussion, which has been very lacking today.
I’m off to a wedding in Angel Fire (flippin’ sweet!), so I won’t be around till Sunday.
Cheers,
Pat Garcia
I don’t see much support for this, but I’m going to go ahead and vote for Aguecheek, because of the concerns I’ve already raised. Namely:
-His role claim is far too convenient and has yet to give us any information with which we can judge his claim
-He inexplicably failed to investigate cowgirl last night, which could have either cleared or condemned her
-He investigated pimaspinner the very same night that Blaster Master was to test pima’s claim by killing FCoD, which rendered the investigation useless
-He continued to defend his Day 1 suspicion of sturmhauke after his second investigation came back Town. In other words, he did not breadcrumb his second investigation. In fact, the only breadcrumb he can point to is that one on the first day. AFAICT, he never breadcrumbed the second sturmhauke investigation, or the Blaster Master and pimaspinner investigations.
Here is Queuing’s summary of Aguecheek’s posts.
As to the Queuing-brewha spat, it’s reminding me a lot of Day 2. I think we’d be better off to stay well out of it.
Oops, I meant to delete this part. He did FOS Queuing as the SK before his role claim.
Oh, and I’m going to FOS cowgirl, because I don’t believe her role-claim and Aguecheek didn’t investigate her. I’m also wondering about Lakai, who included cowgirl the first’s posts in her recap of Smitty/cowgirl. Why include a known, dead townie’s posts in there?
Oh, thank the gods, someone else is suspicious of Aguecheek! Goody gumdrops. And since it will no longer be a total waste for me to cast this vote anymore…here’s hoping I can get a lynch Aguecheek bandwagon rolling.
Well, that strategy generally works better if the someone different isn’t halfway across the country with no Internet access at the time you vote for her. Some of us do have real lives that get in the way from time to time, y’know?
Anyway, I remain suspicious of both of the two most recent role claims, but more so of Aguecheek than cowgirl – I’m pretty sure Menoccio was killed precisely because he was so openly skeptical about Aguecheek’s role claim. For now, I’m going to vote Aguecheek.
Just in case her behavior is somehow substantially different.
Here’s my latest spreadsheet. As usual, it includes complete voting records for each poster, who’s still alive and who’s six feet under, known and suspected roles, and notes on major events. I’ll be back in a bit for analysis.
Pardon me for not role claiming earlier. And next time I’ll ask Naf to let me know if my investigation result was true or not. That should help.
Hold on here. You’re looking at me askance because I did investigate Blaster Master and pimaspinner after they role claimed, and now because I didn’t investigate cowgirl? I’m trying to decide who to investigate based on what the town wants. I investigated MonkeyMensch because Queuing had asked me earlier why I hadn’t and there’s been a lot of people curious about him the last couple of days. Apparently, I made the wrong choice. My sincere apologies.
See above. I did investigate pima and I’m scummy. I didn’t investigate cowgirl and I’m scummy. I wanted an independent confirmation of pimaspinner’s claim. We’ve agreed that this role sucks for determining roles, but pretty good for confirming them. Have you thought about the fact that we’d been doing so badly that the Mafia might have deemed it a good idea to throw us a bone? Why not get as much confirmation as possible when the only thing a blind investigation will get us is more confusion?
Again, I’m sorry I didn’t read the chapter on Breadcrumbs when reading my handy “How to Play a Cop in a Mafia Game” handbook. I’d imagine the fact that I didn’t push for sturmhauke’s lynching after the second night would be a pretty good indication that I didn’t think he was worth pursuing. And how am I supposed to “breadcrumb” the fact that I didn’t find anything suspicious about a couple of other investigations? I didn’t realize I was supposed to leave breadcrumbs (CaerieD’s turned out to be a rousing success). What better way to indicate that I didn’t feel suspicious of them then by not voting for them?
Classy. Wait for someone else to start it and jump on. Making sure you’re not the first one to vote for me, huh? Good idea. People don’t care for that.
So we had another last minute speedlynch of an innocent person. This time it was due to cowgirl’s claiming to be the Guardian Angel and votes shifting onto Malacandra, with even less time on the clock than the day before (link). Prior to this, the current votes were as follows:
4 votes - cowgirl (Kat, Pygmy Rugger, StarvingButStrong, Pleonast)
3 votes - brewha (Lakai, Fretful Porpentine, Menocchio)
2 votes - Aguecheek (MonkeyMensch, sturmhauke)
2 votes - Malacandra (ArizonaTeach, hocow)
1 vote - Lakai (brewha)
1 vote - MonkeyMensch (Queuing)
1 vote - Pygmy Rugger (storyteller0910)
1 vote - Queuing (Aguecheek)
All times are PST.
(1) 7:33 am - cowgirl makes GA claim, votes Malacandra (causes brewha and Malacandra to be tied at 3 votes)
(2) 7:51 am - Queuing unvotes MonkeyMensch, votes brewha (pushes brewha ahead to 4 votes, tying cowgirl for the lead)
(3) 8:14 am - Pleonast unvotes cowgirl, votes Malacandra (swaps Malacandra and cowgirl in the polls)
(4) 8:14 am - brewha unvotes Lakai, votes Queuing
(5) 8:24 am - StarvingButStrong unvotes cowgirl, votes Queuing
(6) 8:27 am - brewha unvotes Queuing, votes Malacandra (ensures his own safety by bumping Malacandra to the lead)
8:30 am - polls closed
9:02 am - Malacandra lynched
Final vote tally:
5 votes - Malacandra (ArizonaTeach, brewha, cowgirl, hocow, Pleonast)
4 votes - brewha (Lakai, Fretful Porpentine, Menocchio, Queuing)
2 votes - Aguecheek (MonkeyMensch, sturmhauke)
2 votes - cowgirl (Kat, Pygmy Rugger)
2 votes - Queuing (Aguecheek, StarvingButStrong)
1 vote - Pygmy Rugger (storyteller0910)
What does this all mean? That’s the million-dollar question right now. Aguecheek and cowgirl are both somehow still alive despite being high-value targets, if they’re telling the truth. brewha apparently voted for Queuing in an effort to bump someone else up the polls, despite there being more likely candidates. Then he realized his tactical error and voted for Malacandra to clinch it. Meanwhile, Queuing has been practically shouting down all opposition.
Here’s what I think: They’re all scum of one sort or another. Queuing seems the most likely SK of the bunch, the rest are probably Mafia. Consider: brewha has cast exactly one vote for Aguecheek (day 5), and none for cowgirl (either version). Aguecheek and cowgirl have never voted for each other, or for brewha. Combine that with the iffy last-minute claims the past two days, both of which are directly responsible for townie deaths, and I think it makes a good case.
Maybe I’m flailing around in the dark, but frankly I’m getting tired of this game. It goes from utter chaos to sluggish summaries of posting histories, and not much in between. So screw it, I’ve laid out my reasons, and now I’m voting.
For today, vote Queuing. After that, I would strongly suggest we lynch Aguecheek, brewha, and cowgirl.
Okay, I had a stretch of insomnia and spent it mulling the game over. No blinding insights, but here’s what seemed sensible. (To me, at 3 a.m., take it for what it’s worth.)
- Just coming up with a ‘most likely’ mafia candidate to vote for isn’t good enough. Besides that, you should probably list/explain your second and third (and more if you’ve got 'em) suspicions.
Because by nightfall there will only be 14 of us left, and two will die overnight (assuming we don’t lynch the SK.) One out of seven chances you’ll wake up dead – if you have anything worth saying, best do it ‘today.’
- To allow time for everyone to air their suspicions, we ABSOLUTELY should not start a lynch countdown too early. Remember, we seem to have some people who can’t/don’t get involved on the weekend. This doesn’t mean we can’t have a whole slew of ‘want to vote for’ the same person. Just after a candidate gets to 5 or 6 votes, the other votes for him should NOT be cast in blue. (Maybe use Cyan instead? Eye catching, clearly of the blue persuasion, so people will know you mean to vote that way WITHOUT starting the clock early.)
- We seem to have settled on a ‘worst case’ of there now being 1 SK, 5 mafia (including GF), and 9 town. AT THE MOMENT the numbers should mean it would be easier for the SK to win by killing off the mafia. However, say we lynch town (again, ::sigh:: ) and two more townies die tonight. At 1/5/6 the SK would pretty much HAVE to shift to killing townies. Deliberately, I mean, not just ‘collateral damage’ killings.
We have GOT to kill Mafia today or I think we’ve lost.
I say Mafia rather than SK, because
A) I think our chances of getting one are better because First, there are more Mafia than SK and so 5/15 is better odds than 1/15 and Second, Mafia have been anti-town all along while the SK had no reason to go after townies instead of mafia, at least until very recently, and so our chances of finding him/her based on voting records seem slim.
B) We know the Mafia also want the SK dead as much as we do. If the SK is still in the game tonight, likely they’ll be shooting for the SK instead of a townie. If they manage to get it right, bonus for us.
I realize the danger of having the SK alive is rising rapidly, I just think our best shot of winning is for this to happen: we lynch mafia today, SK kills mafia tonight, mafia kills SK tonight. (Um. If the mafia do target the SK, does his target die? I think so…) Anyway, then dawn would find us with:
3 Mafia /9 town
Wouldn’t THAT be great?
This post is getting long – I’ll put my other two points on the next rock.
- I think it’s time we killed Aguecheek. I’ve had him on my suspected-mafia list almost the entire game. And, yes, if we kill him we are potentially killing a beat cop, but A) there’s not much time left for a beat cop to be of any use to the town and B) Ague cheek in particular hasn’t been of any noticeable benefit to the town so far.
Add bad choices on who to investigate to the fact that the Mafia haven’t gone after him to my gut… Lynch Ague cheek.
- Despite the above, I think Aguecheek might have been on the money in this post.
Why not? As Mafia, Aguecheek wants the SK dead. Yes, the Mafia could have killed Queuing themselves, but maybe they were hoping we’d do the job for them (like I’m hoping they’ll do it for us) OR maybe Ague cheek was as unable to convince the Mafia he was right as he was unable to sell it to us. Or maybe there was just a more persuasive Mafia member with a different SK target in mind.
And…I think that’s it for now.
It’s a worthy list. 
Can you explain to me why going after the SK before a Mafia makes sense? I laid out my reasons for the other order a post or two ago – but, hey, this is my first game, and I’ve been wrong about other aspects already.
If you can make the case for SK first, I’ll switch my vote.