Kat’s post above leads me to believe that Queuing is in fact town. Mafia was pushing way too hard on him.
I believe Storyteller is town because he was the only one FOSing FCOD early on and he stuck to his suspicion. He also provides very good analysis.
Pleonast is a mason so he is kosher.
I am town, so by process of elimination that leaves:
brewha
Fretful Porpentine
Pygmy Rugger
StarvingButStrong
Kat
When I can eliminate one more person from this list, I will make my vote.
You recall correctly. 
It really comes down to a gut feeling. We’ve been at this game for over a month, we’ve all read the posts and the analysis of posts – basically I found myself generally nodding in agreement when others have posted why they found you suspicious, and not been very convinced by your responses to those posts.
But I realize leaving it at that would be terribly frustrating to you – how can you rebut a gut feeling? So looking back over just the past few pages worth, here are some recent bits that make me lean towards you being Mafia:
I asked whether the town should be aiming at Mafia or the SK ‘yesterday’ – you responded (3471) in part:
Now, it’s possible that a townie could hold this opinion – OTOH, absolutely a Mafia would prefer we target a SK. And with the Mafia getting so close to winning, they were probably nearly frantic about getting rid of the SK. Who would be more likely to express an opinion on this matter? A townie who doesn’t see much difference between killing the SK and a Mafia, or a Mafia to whom it was a vital difference?
Not a big point, but it niggles.
Another bit: Queuing, post 3484
I think he might have been right in the second sentence: why wouldn’t Aguecheek at least try to give a little bit of cover to a Mafia? Even if Aguecheek was still alive when that particular Mafia got killed and revealed, well, beat cops are only 50% right, so ooopsie on that call.
We (Okay, I, but I think most would agree) now know that Queuing isn’t Mafia. Monkeymensch for sure wasn’t Mafia. So the only person left that could have been Mafia in that threesome is Lakai. Why I’m pointing that out will become clearer in a moment. (And, yes, Lakai is currently second on my scum list, right below Pygmy.)
In post 3496, PygmyRugger was explaining his voting record in response to Storyteller’s analysis in 3494 (I think, though he didn’t explicitly say so.) Anyway, Storyteller had pointed out two places where Pygmy Rugger’s actions could be in response to guidance from Lakai.
This is what PygmyRugger had to say:
The thing is, Lakai has been mentioned as distrusted many times by others – even in the face of a ‘Town’ report by Pimaspinner. It looks to me like a general sentiment of “don’t believe he’s town, but we’ll let him live while we go after other targets.”
So why do YOU find him trustworthy?
And, FretfulPorpentine has just reminded us that Pimaspinner’s read on Lakai as “town” could also be because he’s the Godfather, which I had mostly forgotten about.
Is it out of reason that an ‘ordinary’ Mafia, especially a player new to the game, might tend to look to the Godfather for clues on what to do?
Now, I’ll be the first to admit none of these points are damning by themselves, but added to the suspicions voiced by others, they make me happy to leave my vote on you.
Except, actually, Queuing is confused here. Aguecheek never claimed to have investigated Lakai; pimaspinner did.
Really? Whoops. Okay, scratch that part of my post.
Anyway, the larger point stands: I find Lakai suspicious, and others have also posted that they find him suspicious. So why does Pygmy feel he’s trustworthy, to the point of following his lead?
Did you have a chance to look over Lakai’s posts yet, and what did you find?
Yeah, I spent all morning doing that, with not much to show for it. My only conclusion is that if he is Mafia, he’s fiendishly clever and good at covering his tracks.
Potentially suspicious stuff: A LOT of votes for townies on his track record, but by this point the same can probably be said of all of us. Posted a trust / distrust list on the first day (for what it’s worth: distrusted Queuing, trusted storyteller, all other people on both lists now confirmed townies) but then voted for Pleonast on the second day because “he seemed too happy to post trust / distrust lists.” Strongly pushed the idea of looking for networks on the second day; we know now that most of the “factions” were town versus town. Pushed to lynch Fern Forest on Day Three, saying there wasn’t enough time to get a bandwagon going against Suburban Plankton. Said on Day Four that he was voting for Autolycus “because his death is inevitable” but also said he thought that Auto was town – trying to cover all bases here? Rather quick on the trigger to respond to FoSing directed against him. (You can read his responses to prior accusations at 2494, 2629, and 3065.) ArizonaTeach accused him of being the Godfather and was promptly killed the next night, but probably by the SK.
Stuff that seems to indicate he’s town: Correctly pointed out that FCoD’s statement that he was willing to put his life on the line to prove his role claim was suspicious, since he wouldn’t die if claim was correct. Strongly pushed for getting an accurate answer to the Beat Cop probability question (this may well have saved Queuing from a premature lynch; on the other hand, it also benefits Lakai himself by making people inclined to believe pimaspinner’s ID of him as town). Insisted, correctly, that cowgirl should say nothing about whether she’s used her GA powers, ever. Voted for Pygmy Rugger yesterday, when a vote for townie hocow would have been just as easy and unlikely to raise suspicion. In general, has done a LOT of FoSing and voting for both Pygmy Rugger and brewha, and I think at least ONE of these has got to be Mafia.
In short: Damned if I know, but we can’t afford to make any mistakes at all right now, and I think there are better bets.
Please excuse me for not finding the specific posts I’m about to refer to. I tried, but it was a pain in the ass.
The reason I’ve had Lakai on my probable-town list for the last few “days” is because he defended me when everybody was FoSing me the first time, when I said a few players were going to be gone for the weekend when they hadn’t. I still think it was a silly FoS, and at least Lakai thought so, also. That’s the main reason for FoSs I’ve recieved this game, and frankly, I think it’s silly.
Concerning cowgirl, I already explained when responding to storyteller that I didn’t want to vote for her and just have my vote sitting in limbo. Once I got a little bit of support for my idea, I promply voted. It didn’t matter if it was Lakai, or somebody else.
Finally, the post you quoted from me concerning the SK. It was in response to this:
I was answering your hypothetical, which assumed we knew on a given day who both the SK and a mafia member were. Notice my response said “assuming we have a bead on the SK”, we should kill him. I defend this postion by noting that the SK must have been against the town, because almost all of his kills were of now-confirmed townies. This can be seen on nights where the two night kills were both power town roles.
So, I think that is an invalid point, also. How can you (SBS) ask a hypothetical question asking if we should kill the SK if we know who they are, knowing that he’s probably not on our side, and then use that as grounds to suspect me? :dubious:
Well dammit, I knew MM was something bad!
So we lynch another townie and the game is over. We basically have to be right each time. Well I still think pygmy rugger is scum. Not really sure why. My gut is also finding Kat suspicious. I think storyteller is town. We know pleonast is. Brewha I also think is town. Lakai did have a reading from the cop and came up town. I know I am town.
Town: me, pleonast, storyteller, brewha, lakai
So what the heck?
Lynch Pymgy Rugger
I haven’t completely gone over all the posts yet. I’m just damn glad we got the SK. I knew MonkeyMensch couldn’t be mafia based on his Sub Plankton voting. Never would have guessed him the SK though.
We definetly got our work cut out for us now though. We can’t lynch anymore town and have a shot at winning this.
Well, I guess Queuing is not the SK and the likelyhood of him being scum is diminishing in my mind. I gotta take a look at today’s posts before I cast a vote.
We got the SK? Seems to me the MAFIA got the SK.
Are you including yourself in the Mafia? :dubious:
I can’t for the life of me make sense of the Pygmy Rugger / brewha / Lakai cluster. Within the last three game days:
brewha has voted for Lakai twice (day 6; final vote on day 8) and Pygmy Rugger once (day 8).
Lakai has voted for Pygmy Rugger twice (day 6; final vote on day 8) and brewha twice (final votes on days 6 and 7).
Pygmy Rugger has voted for neither, and claims to trust Lakai because Lakai defended him way back when (never mind those two lynch votes since then!)
Hell if I know whether we’ve got two very confused townies and one Mafia, or two or three Mafia doing an excellent job distancing themselves from each other – but I think the Pygmy Rugger lynch looks too easy. Six of the nine living players have voted for him over the past two days, with nobody raising much opposition, and nobody except silly ol’ me lifting a finger to swing the vote over to hocow during the two hours when they were tied. To me, this suggests the Mafia wants this lynch to go through.
No.
I certainly don’t agree that Queuing HAS to be town. But, I’m willing to admit that he could be town at this point.
My list would be
Fretful Porpentine
Kat
Lakai
Pygmy Rugger
Storyteller0910
Queuing
StarvingButStrong
Basically everyone but myself and Pleonast. Any reason that there hasn’t been much suspicion cast towards Fretful Propentine. I have absolutley no read on him - he seems to have stayed under my radar for this game.
Hello? Bueller?
We really need to get this hashed out quickly. I don’t want another wait to the last minute lynching to happen. We need a calm decisive vote.
I’m torn. If I vote Pygmy Rugger, that means that I’m siding with Queuing (which I’m OK with) and Lakai (whom I’m still certian is mafia).
I could vote Lakai again, but that has done nothing in the past but waste my vote and puts me on the sideline hoping that the other people’s votes are correct.
I could go out on a limb and vote Fretful Porpentine based on his lack of participation (as it seems in my mind - I could be off on this) and his vote for me yesterday, but I don’t really have a good reason for it other than he seems less trustable than the others on the list.
Argh! There’s so much pressure on today’s vote!
Hmm, I’m not sure who to vote for. I’ll probably change my mind (I definitely will if too many people jump on too quickly).
For now, I vote Kat, for being the third to vote for hocow.
Vote Count
3- Pygmy Rugger - (StarvingButStrong, Kat, Queuing)
1- Kat - (Pleonast)
And thats it.
I meant to say something about this yesterday: I’m sure you know you don’t have to ‘know’ who ALL the mafia are at this point. You just need to figure out who you are MOST suspicious of at the moment.
So I have to say, I find your post to be a little suspicious, as in, it’s a delaying tactice. “I’m not sticking my head out until I can see which way the wind is blowing.”
Lakai, and **Pleonast ** each need to post once
**Queuing ** needs to post twice
**Storyteller ** needs to post 3 times.
Post hi mom or count the posts you are making, I don’t care if the posts have content, just get your posts in.
I think it would be funny if I was modkilled for not posting enough
Here’s a new list:
Lakai
Pygmy Rugger
Storyteller0910
Queuing
These are the people who are not me or Pleonast and did not vote for Aguecheek’s lynching. Quite a happy coincidence that there are four on that list. To be fair, StoryTeller and Queuing did vote for and recant their votes. For all we know, there may only be two or three mafia left. I think that is is safe to say that Lakai and Pygmy Rugger are mafia. Storyteller got extremely defensive when I insinuated that he may be mafia. He has also been pretty anti me, so I believe that he is a definite canidate.
Queuing? I’m still in the air. I say we take out Pygmy Rugger and Lakai first. If there’s mafia left, we take out Storyteller. If we still haven’t won, we take out Queuing.
Vote Pygmy Rugger