Because that isn’t what you said. I quoted it above, here it is again:
See the difference?
They only have to kill 2 more townies DURING THE DAY before we lose the game.
Emphasis added by me. “During the day” means “lynching”, since the Mafia kill at night.
And I don’t at all believe you were thinking ‘during the day’ means a day/night cycle, since otherwise you’d have said ‘today’ or just add nothing at all, that is, ''kill 2 more townies before we lose the game."
You said there had to be specifically two more killed DURING THE DAY, which requires there to be fewer than 4 mafia as I said to begin with.
Woo hoo, I guess. Got my first vote. I actually wouldn’t mind all that much being out of the game – I could some extra time elsewhere – unfortunately, if there ARE 4 mafia just one more townie death lets them win, and I am townie.
So, I’ll try to explain your points.
Or they simply haven’t made their move yet. If they shifted their votes early, that would give time for the necessary town votes to notice and move elsewhere. Much safer to let it look like a last minute panic flurry instead of a deliberate plan.
“Nothing has changed for her” [me] only meant that nothing that had transpired had changed my suspicions of Pygmy. ‘Yesterday’ he was second on my suspect list, with Hocow gone he was first. No, I never bothered to type out my reasons before – they were a combination of overall gut feel PLUS the points others had already posted about. I didn’t see any value in a “here’s my reasons” when they were a duplicate of what had already been posted and that PR had had chances to reply to before.
If you’ll note, they were reasons that had happened recently, that is, they HADN’T been posted about, and PR hadn’t been given a chance to explain them.
Well, I’m not going to quibble about whether your reason is ‘the best’ or not. Heaven knows, I’ve cast many votes during the course of this game on flimsy evidence. As I said earlier, there’s a reason the mafia could be holding off that isn’t just ‘messing with the town.’
I agree with Brewha’s point (in a later post) that if the townies cast their votes for different people, then the mafia can kill anyone they want. The problem is, how can we come together on a single target? Clearly the mafia will do everything they can to disrupt that. So…do we roll dice to select who to kill, and everyone agree ahead of time that they WILL vote for who the dice say they should, or reveal themselves to be mafia?
That would give us a slightly better than even chance of picking a mafia, but I don’t see anyway to organize it. Would you believe it if, for example, Fretful Porpentine said the dice came up, oh, Kat? Wouldn’t you just worry that FP was Mafia and we’d handed the game to him?
Anyway. Off track, but I’ve no time to edit. I’ll be back in about 9 hours to see what happened.
Geeze, I’ve no time, but I can’t let that bit of sophistry stand:
Are we supposed to forget that the Mafia will be killing townies during the night? Hmmm?
At the moment, there are 6 townies and 3 mafia (per your slip.)
We lynch a town today --> 5 townies 3 mafia
The mafia (obviously) kill a townie tonight --> 4 townies 3 mafia
We lynch another townie tomorrow --> 3 townies 3 mafia
The mafia lynch another townie tomorrow night – 2 townies 3 mafia – Mafia win!
And, of course, there could be intervening days when there’s one mafia lynched and 1 townie night killed. It won’t change the result.
For a mafia win to require two more townies killed DURING THE DAY, then the current count must be 3 mafia.
And now I’m going to be late unless traffic is forgiving.
Pleonast, I need you to do me a small favor. Pick out the mafia. That’s not asking too much is it? Seriously, if there are four mafia left, the only chance we have of winning is for all of the town to vote for the same person.
It has become painfully obvious that the town is not going to follow my lead. And, I guess I would be hesitant to follow anyone else’s lead - except for Pleonast’s.
Here’s what I propose. Pleonast, have a look at your list of suspects. If you are happy with the order of scumminess post it as is. Or, feel free to change it based on what’s happened since you origionally posted it. The important thing about your list is that you need to put it in order. Once it is done, do not change it no matter what anyone else says.
Repost the list. And we townfolk need to adhere to that list exclusively. I don’t care what happens in the next two days, all the towns people need to vote for only who is next on Pleonast’s list.
I do realize that this is a longshot. It puts a metric shit-ton of pressure on Pleonast to get the list correct. But, I fear it’s the only chance we got.
Exactly what we need to do. But, the only way we know that we’re getting an honest guess is to trust Pleonast. Since he is likely dead tonight, we will have to go strictly on his list.
You’re (SBS) right, 9players - 2dead townies - 3mafia = 5townies > 3mafia=not end of game, assumes no night kills, which is just silly (remind me not to post before I’ve had some coffee). Yesterday (real yesterday), I assumed brewha’s theory was right, and we were going to get scum today. What I didn’t think through all the way was that the number of townies decreases every day regardless. For some reason, I thought if we got one scum today, the Mafia would have to get two townies during the day to make up for it. But they only have to get one townie turing the day to make up for it. The other they can get at night.
If I were scum, do you really think I’d have lasted this long, if I were prone to making that kind of gaffe? Reminds me quite a bit of the very first FoS pointed at me by MadtheSwine in the begining of the game. I think Lakai may be on to something about you.
Well fuck. StarvingbutStrong is not going to check again for 9 hrs. Which means even if everyone is on board with this plan, it’s not going to work unless:
A) SBS is mafia. Then his vote won’t matter since the all of the town will vote together.
B) Pygmy Rugger is mafia and ends up getting lynched today.
C) there are only 3 mafia left. We can lynch town today and still win. Or we as a town still have the majority even if all the mafia and one town vote for someone else.
That’s all we have to go on. Pleonast, are you down with this plan?
Brewha you know pleonast already posted his list, right? Its right here
Do you see who is on top of that list? Just saying is all.
I agree with a lot of what lakai said, and its almost making me change my ming about Pygmy Rugger. However the very vocal and suspect thinking behind the defense from brewha makes me question Pygmy Rugger again.
I see no reason to rely soley on Pleonast. How does he know who is scum? He doesn’t. All he can do is eliminate himself. Well guess what? I can eliminate him and me because I know I am town, so IMO that gives me a better chance of being right. Of course no one else knows I am town for sure, but crazy ass accusations from brewha notwithstanding, I don’t think that many people think I am scum. Brewha seems to have picked another reason out of thin air (ok it was actually because I didn’t vote for aguecheek while at the same time willfully ignoring the fact that aguecheek tried hard, very hard, to get me lynched) to think I am scum. Please look at the totality of evidence, not just pick and choose what evidence fits your preconceived notions. You can get into nasty wars that way you know!
No one has provided a logical, intelligent reason to go after anyone else but storyteller and SBS. They both want to go after Pygmy Rugger. Personally I have no idea about anyone with the following exceptions: Pleonast is town, brewha is to batshit crazy to be scum, and I am town. This leaves me with 6 choices. I have long thought storyteller is town. This leaves me with 5. Out of that 5 only PR has had a somewhat convincing case laid against him.
And that is where my vote lies.
On preview; brewha what you have is not a plan but rather a desperate plea to be able to remove all responsibility from everyone else. I will not follow such a plan. I will vote on a case by case basis when evidence is presented. Evidence, not crazy theories that ignore evidence that doesn’t fit with said theory.
Yes, this is what I meant, sorry for the confusion.
They are the only 2 that have presented any sort of theory about who may be scum that I can get behind. Unfortunately for you (and I concede, maybe the town, I currently have no idea about anyone but the 3 I listed) they presented it against you.
This is a terrible plan. It might work if we get lucky, but it eliminates the one and only source of information we have that can help us determine where the surviving players’ allegiances lie, which is discussion and observation of how people vote. Also, if Pleonast doesn’t have time to post a new list, Pygmy Rugger gets lynched, which doesn’t work to your advantage at all if you actually believe everything you’ve said so far. (On the other hand, if you want PR to get lynched AND want the credit of having made a show of defending him, this is a great plan … for you.)
No, in all honesty, I have no fricking clue anymore. I have eliminated 3 people. This leaves me with 6. Assuming we have 4 (or maybe 3 scum) left I have a 1/2 to 1/3 chance of being right. I don’t think all of the scum will vote for townies. I think one might vote for another scum. Its a team game, and if they can survive then their team wins. So this leads me to dismiss brewha’s theory. This leaves lakai’s left. For right now, I prefer the other 2. I suppose we will find out in 30 minutes.
Yes Queuing, I saw his earlier list. I do see that I’m in the number 4 slot. I also see that Pygmy Rugger is in the number one spot. I also see that Pleonast is voting for Lakai, not Pygmy Rugger which makes me think the order his list may have changed.
Here’s the thing. I may be wrong. I may be influenced by mafia and don’t realize it. The only way we have a chance to win (and by we I mean the town people I’m not including myself with anyone at this point in case SBS wants to pick my wording apart) is to vote together.
Even if every town member votes with Pleonast, and it is just a guess We have almost 50/50 odds. If half the town votes for one person, the other half votes for someone else and the mafia picks who we are going to lynch, we half 0% odds.
The only reason I see to dismiss this idea is if you are mafia. I thought we had another 1:15. It seems we have only 0:15.
This is a fairly terrible plan, by the way, and it’s getting really exhausting having you throw out these nutty theories and then say, “clearly, the only way you could disagree with me is that you are Mafia.” No, people disagree with your plan because it’s a bad plan. And I say this as the person who was at the bottom of the most recent list.
If the entire town agreed to vote according to Pleonast’s list, every day, no matter what, we would never get any more information than we have right now. Mafia could justify any vote at all, never have to explain themselves, never take a chance of slipping up. You’d see a whole mess of votes that read, “Voting So-and-So per Pleonast’s list” and no one would bother with explaining. Analyzing people’s reasons for voting, it seems to me, is as or more useful than analyzing for whom they vote.
Plus, if Pleonast has really misjudged even one person, we lose.
