Okay, I haven’t quite caught up yet, but I’m going to bed, and posting some stuff in case I wake up lynched in the morning.
I trust:
Mennochio, because our Detective did.
Queuing, for no very good reason. He (she?) posted some useful info about the first night killings and everybody being veterans, and suggested people post their experience level. It shouldn’t surprise anyone to learn that I was a very interested kibitzer in the original werewolf, (even getting told off for posting in the gamers thread,) and active on the commentary, but I have no previous experience before this.
Storyteller, because he was the first to point out the vizzini doubletalk thing.
nesta, because she asked random.org about her vote twice
I distrust:
Smitty, for using random.org on his vote in the first place, and telling us so. Coming up with a random vote is fine, but telling us that it’s random seems vaguely slimy - like you’re disclaiming responsibility for it that way.
Autolycus, because he seems good at doubletalk, and because he FOS-ed blaster master on his name
Not sure if I distrust FlyingCowOfDoom yet.
This sounds to me like somebody who knows the role of, say, 10 players. The only way anybody could know that after only two nights is if they know who the Mafia are. “I’m a cop,” to me, sounds like a thinly veiled attempt to pass themselves off as one, trying to gain the trust of us townfolk, and influencing our votes in the early rounds.
Nice catch Rysto. Why would someone try to get everyone to claim when they already shot the idea down after the last game? Because now they’re on the other side and see that it could help them.
I don’t think we can implicate Pleonast quite yet. I thought his idea was a good compromise to a bad strategy when he first proposed it and some of those who supported it probably thought the same thing. He might have too. In hindsight I agree it’s a bad idea to continue posting lists of who we trust since it gives away so much information. The last thing we need at this point is for our other cops to get found out.
I’m not going to vote for chrisk yet, even though I think he’s scum. There’s already a bandwagon started, and I think we made a mistake yesterday by wrapping up the day much too quickly. I thought ET was scum yesterday, and I was wrong, and we might be about chrisk too. Let’s wait a bit and see if we can get some other mafia to out themselves.
Okay, now this troubles me (see below). What’s with the sudden and complete change of trusted and mistrusted people? Why did Blaster Master go from trusted to untrusted and Menocchio the opposite? And what did Kivvik and Zuma do that made them untrusted? I don’t remember them posting anything very objectionable. True, the later revisions are mostly adding mistrusted people, but the first list to the second is a complete turnaround.
I found something interesting as I was looking through my notes from yesterday:
In post 291, **Pleonast **tells us that he mistrusts Blaster Master.
In post 305, Blaster Master quotes his post, and states that he is in favor of the “trust lists”, despite the fact that he is on Pleonast’s bad side.
Then, in post 322, Pleonast posts another list. This time, he trusts Blaster Master, giving no explanation for the sudden change of heart.
They were the first and second people to vote for Enfant Terrible.
Blaster Master posted two “trust lists”; Pleonast posted four.
Perhaps they were trying to be extra helpful, or perhaps they were working on a way for the Mafia to communicate during the day.
And they both trusted chrisk.
[Can’t get to sleep and cranky]
Okay, first off, I never said I was a cop! It was a freakin’ hypothetical! Can’t you get that through your head??
And… I’m not claiming to know ANYTHING. My trust/distrust lists are based purely off of the strategy posts that people are making. That’s what this game is supposed to be about - the reading of people.
Trying not to sound paranoid here, but you sound like you’re trying way too hard to paint me as suspicious. I’m distrusting you now.
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I continue to think Chrisk’s idea in this thread, first raised in the forbidden thread, is a huge mistake but one that might sound good to an unexperienced townie. And I still think he is one.
My sole vote was for **sturmhauke **but I made it based solely on the drinking buddy comment and as a joke. Well also because you never know what might happen when you throw rocks at someone. And the response was alright. I think there’s a chance that **sturmhauke ** survived last night on the chance that we’ll do their dirty work for them. I may return in a few days but really I could end up voting for anybody a few days from now.
Damn Queuing, how did you get so distrusted? Suspicious.
But I think I’m going to vote for Gadarene. Lots of agreeing going on there. Not enough meat on those bones.
Well it’s still the second day and I’m still working on feelings.
Is everyone posting? If not I know we have people standing by ready to come in and kill or be killed.
My roommate says this shirt makes me look too thin.
Anyway, this whole thing is now making me feel very paranoid. I bandwagoned Enfant Terrible, to his detriment, and some of the people I initially trusted are now looking a good deal less trustworthy. At the moment I’m inclined to hesitate before making any substantive analysis; I hope people see that as merely tentative and not suspicious.
You know, I didn’t like the idea of “lists” from the beginning. I didn’t necessarily think that those who were promoting them were scum, but I thought that they were at best misguided.
Now that we’ve all had a chance to pore over them today, I’m quite conflicted.
Either we’ve already flushed out two or three scum based on the fact that they couldn’t keep their lies straight,
Or we’re about to lynch an innocent citizen or two for no other crime than not knowing when to keep their mouths shut.
I’m still not quite sure which direction I’m leaning, but this has me thinking…
Specifically, it has me thinking that **chrisk **is not doing himself any favors with the tone of his posts. Too much righteous indignation seems a little…too much.
I’m not quite ready to vote yet, mainly because I have a couple different suspects and I’m not sure which one I like best. I don’t necessarily want to jump on the chrisk bandwagon just because, at least not yet.
Before I do a re-read, might I suggest we not place a 10th vote on ANYONE the first couple RL days, barring glaring guilt of someone or a general concensus? I know we have the cooling-off period, but better safe than sorry.
The first day ending so early really hurt us, and personally, anyone who places a 10th vote will immediately become suspicious in my eyes.
I think Winston Smith needs to give his reasoning for ending the day so abruptly, and not giving Enfant Terrible a chance to role-claim (and before anyone points it out, yes I criticized Enfant for role-claiming early, but Menocchio had a point about how everyone is claiming vanilla townie by default… Regardless, Enfant should have been given an opportunity to do a real, about-to-be-lynched role claim).
Wow, I seem to have made a lot of enemies over night. I will take this opportunity to attempt to explain myself. As I expected would happen if I was wrong, my zealousness on the first day would come back to bite me.
I will accept my share of the blame for lynching Enfant Terrible. However, I felt his actions were suspicious, which I justified when I voted. Unfortunately, with the shortened day, I did not get to re-evaluate my vote, which very likely would have changed, because I felt Enfant Terrible’s death row plea to be the most convincing of his argument, especially pointing out a blatant point I had overlooked.
Someone (I don’t remember who) also called me out for “demanding” Winston Smith’s justification of why he mistrusted me. I found it suspicious that he listed reasons for trust and distrust for several individuals, but did not give any reason for his mistrust of me and his trust of another individual (I don’t remember who). I appreciate the chance to explain my reasoning for whatever may have caused suspicion to fall my way.
Further, it was interesting to me that the last few votes for Enfant Terrible happened quickly and without justification; among those final votes was Winston Smith. As has been stated earlier, ending a day quickly, especially when the person being accused is a townie, is absolutely in the favor of the mafia. Thus, between these two actions, Winston Smith has drawn much suspicion from me.
The death of CaerieD, while tragic, was not unexpected for me. Her trust/distrust list was suspicious to me, largely because it differed so greatly from mine, and other actions were drawing attention to herself. Because of that, I had her pinned with fairly high confidence that she was mafia and, if I were the VIG or SK, she would have been one of my targets. Precisely because of that reasoning, and that I had cowgirl pinned as a power role; my suspicion lies that **cowgirl ** was killed by the mafia and either the VIG or the SK killed CaerieD. Obviously, I’m going to have to re-evaluate my lists based on this new information.
I also agree with the sentiment not to lynch chrisk yet, or even give him a number of votes. Even with as many votes as he has gained already, it is dangerous. I imagine at least a couple of the votes for him are townies; thus, all the mafia have to do, assuming there’s at least 6-8 of them, is trickle their votes in, repeating the same justification, and then the countdown starts and they’ve shortened the day again, putting us even farther behind. That said, I do remove my endorsement of trust for him, but he’s obviously not my top suspect.
The trust lists: I still don’t think they’re as misguided as many have bandwagoned to think they were. Unfortunately, our reliable detective is dead and largely due to the mis-use of the list, had she placed perhaps 3 names on the list, she may have lived another day or two to allow that list to converge toward highly accurate information. That said, I further agree with the sentiment that Menocchio is town-friendly and should be treated as the closest thing we’ve got to a “confirmed townie”. However, as it seems to be so frowned upon now for giving out too much information, I will also cease posting my trust/mistrust lists.
