Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!)

The Game Room
801

I think we’ve got 3d 13h. I asked for us to put someone up late tomorrow. They’ll be put to the test on Monday while most of us are at work so actually it’s better if we start the countdown Monday morning. Unfortunately the final 3 days are work days and we wont be able to spend as much time on this as we are now on the weekend.

If we start monday morning that gives us till monday evening for the victim to make his argument. Then we’d have until Tuesday morning to put someone else up. If that person also manages to convince us then we’d have to scramble a bit that night to find a third.

I don’t think there’s any harm in being agressive, as long as we’re not stupidly so.

Well I’m off to bed. With the lights on and one eye open.

802

[QUOTE=Pygmy Rugger]
IIRC, those three all said they had IRL obligations for the next 48 hours or so. I, myself, was gone on Wednesday, and it took me this long to get caught up enough to the point where I felt comfortable posting. Give 'em a day or two, I’m sure they’ll chime in soon enough. All three have had either a lot of posts, or succinct (sp) analysis to this point.
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I have only read through the last 10 pages once …I don’t recall any one of them saying such a thing.Course I may have missed it.

803

This little exchange looks highly suspicious to me:

[QUOTE=MadTheSwine]
So Rysto,What is your vote?
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[QUOTE=Rysto]
Not voting yet. Vote counts are pretty high right now, and I don’t want to push anybody closer to a lynching at this point.

Unless something drastically changes in the next couple days, though, I’ll be equally happy with a Pleonast, Blaster Master or chrisk lynch.
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MadTheSwine had already voted for Pleonast when he made that post. This seems like he’s trying to set up a line attack with Rysto a little later, when Pleonast has more votes against him (he already has 6) and Rysto can move in to trigger a countdown.

unvote nesta, vote Rysto

I haven’t decided what to think of Blaster Master yet, but I think chrisk was probably just a Citizen and that he freaked out under the pressure. If that’s true, it’s a little irritating that he quit, but it’s hardly a game breaker.

804

Okay, listen: I’ve been following along on my Blackjack phone all weekend (more or less), so I’ve got a decent handle on what’s happening in town. Unfortunately, it’s slow going, and impossible to open multiple browser windows, so I’m kind of hobbled. But I’ve got a few observations to make, and I’ll back them up if necessary tomorrow when I’m at work and have more time to post. :slight_smile:

Regarding chrisk: There’s only one way out of town, at this point, and that’s through the floor of the gallows. If chrisk wants out that’s fine but I don’t think we should sub him out. We’re 17 pages and over 800 posts. If chrisk is Mafia, substitution offers them a tremendous benefit because we’ve got no backtrail on the sub. If chrisk is town, he should go out in style (take it from me, I know). I haven’t read the last page and a half (busy sleeping and eating breakfast and whatnot), so if this has already been suggested, sorry to be redundent. Citizen or scum, chrisk wants out.

I vote to lynch chrisk

I have some significant suspicions about some other folks here, but let’s get this chrisk business settled first.

805

Yes, Winston, that’s all well and good, but can you explain throwing the game into night-time prematurely, resulting in a vig who had to shoot blind, all the while putting autolycus on your trust list? A few of us thought he’s just misguided calling himself mafia, but you actually trust him?

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[QUOTE=sturmhauke]

I haven’t decided what to think of Blaster Master yet, but I think chrisk was probably just a Citizen and that he freaked out under the pressure. If that’s true, it’s a little irritating that he quit, but it’s hardly a game breaker.
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I’m also starting to think chrisk was just a citizen who made a bad move. And find it quite misfortunate that he bowed out of the game, as his replacement can’t really defend him.

Blaster Master has made some bad moves, but the quick bandwagon on him is worrisome.

I’m also of the opinion that we should just probably lynch Autolycus. He’s all but declared himself a mafia and refuses to engage with town.

Menocchio’s opinion that the vig should be killed also bothers me, even though I think CaerieD’s investigation cleared him.

I also want answers from Winston Smith why he was so quick to lynch Enfant without a role-claim, and why he trusts the only person here who is all but claiming to be mafia.

807

[QUOTE=zuma]
Yes, Winston, that’s all well and good, but can you explain throwing the game into night-time prematurely, resulting in a vig who had to shoot blind, all the while putting autolycus on your trust list? A few of us thought he’s just misguided calling himself mafia, but you actually trust him?
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Yes, my plan isn’t perfect, but it’s still the best way to deal with chrisk’s defection. I just don’t think the part should be sub’d out at this stage of the game.

808

I was asking you to explain your actions yesterday, not today. i.e. not giving enfant a chance to role-claim and ending the day early.

809

At this point I’m leaning towards Autolycus or chrisk, because they don’t want to play, and killing them would increase the signal:noise ratio around here. I still think chrisk is running because he knows he screwed up, so:

I vote Autolycus
If we have to have a vigilante, I encourage him or her to go for chrisk (or Autolycus if chrisk is the lynched party).

810

I agree with getting rid of autolycus, but upon re-thinking it, he’s a better vig kill, not a lynch. At least with chrisk we can force a role-claim. Autolycus would just do his little mafia speech thing and would refuse to claim.

My view on Autolycus is that he’s either:

  1. a townie completely shitting all over this game
  2. mafia playing his role openly either to rub it in our faces how long he’s lasted, or to do the big double-bluff.

I’m more inclined to go with 2, and he won’t cooperate or role-claim. I’d rather force a role-claim on someone who would use it.

811

[QUOTE=Fern Forest]
I think we’ve got 3d 13h. I asked for us to put someone up late tomorrow. They’ll be put to the test on Monday while most of us are at work so actually it’s better if we start the countdown Monday morning. Unfortunately the final 3 days are work days and we wont be able to spend as much time on this as we are now on the weekend.

If we start monday morning that gives us till monday evening for the victim to make his argument. Then we’d have until Tuesday morning to put someone else up. If that person also manages to convince us then we’d have to scramble a bit that night to find a third.
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I thought the way the countdown worked was that once it’s started, there’s no going back. Someone will be lynched at the end of the 12 hours. We shouldn’t get ten votes on anyone until we’re sure we want them dead. We can change our mind if they defend themselves well, but that’ll be a hectic 12 hours trying to find someone else to lynch.

NAF1138, can we get a clarification? Is the 12 hours a hard deadline to a lynching, or can we shut it off by unvoting?

812

[QUOTE=Lakai]
I am suspicious of Malacandra here, because his/her only post of value in this thread was his/her vote for Enfant.

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“His”, FFS. Am I going to have to put “I’m a dude, btw” back in my location field like it was for over a year? I’ve only been about the place for four years and nearly 6000 posts including a fair few on gender issues. :rolleyes:

Anyway I’m still catching up here after a day and a half away from home. If I can possibly digest everything that’s been said since then, I’ll try to come up with a “post of value”.

813

I’ll spell it out again for Winston Smith:

Why did you end the day so soon?

Why did you not give Enfant a chance to role-claim?

AUtolycus is running around screaming “I am mafia”. And that led you to put him on your trust list for what reason?

814

[QUOTE=Fretful Porpentine]
Hmm. I don’t want to jump on the “lynch chrisk” bandwagon as yet, partly because I am inherently suspicious of bandwagons, partly because chrisk didn’t vote at all in the last round of votes, and I’m having a hard time believing that a self-respecting Mafia member wouldn’t vote for someone.

As I said, I am inherently suspicious of bandwagons, particularly those who end up lynching someone innocent. Those who voted for Enfant Terrible are:

Pleonast (after first voting for Kivvik)
BlasterMaster
ArizonaTeach
FlyingCow (after first voting for Autolycus)
Gadarene
Malacandra (after first voting for Autolycus)
Storyteller0910
pimaspinner
Cowgirl
Winston Smith

Obviously, these are not all Mafia – in fact one of them, sadly, has been exonerated by the last night’s events. The two who stand out a mile to me, though, are the two who switched their votes from Autolycus to Enfant Terrible – that is, from one bandwagon to another.

I want to go over the sequence of posts before I vote to lynch anyone, but Malacandra and FlyingCow are at the head of my list at the moment.
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I see where you’re coming from, of course, but it was a Day One lynching and, frankly, I don’t see how it could have been anything other than a bandwagon. Also, I don’t think a bandwagon on Day One is necessarily a bad thing – someone’s going to die on the basis of a town vote free of information (barring, perhaps, a dissenting cop/detective vote based on Night One info, which even then isn’t necessarily going to carry the day and can hardly be backed by a role claim so early unless they really don’t want to see Day Two) and at least you get some material to go on.

Regrettably I can’t answer hocow’s reasonable request to explain my FoS. You can think of several reasons why I might not, such as being a cop and not wanting to out myself too early, or thinking I’ve spotted a hint dropped by someone else and not wanting to draw attention to it lest they be a cop (obviously, not the Detective :frowning: ), or (of course) being scum and wanting to start a bandwagon rolling albeit with a conspicuous lack of success so far.

I think we ought not to lynch Autolycus for now as we may want to leave the Vig someone who would be no great loss.

So I’ll say vote hocow for now. Just to see what happens.

815

In case anyone wants one, here’s my vote count:

Pleonast - 6 (Fern Forest, Fretful Porpentine, Kat, Lakai, MadTheSwine, Suburban Plankton)
chrisk - 4 (ArizonaTeach, FlyingCowOfDoom, Pygmy Rugger, Winston Smith)
Blaster Master - 4 (Gadarene, hocow, pimaspinner, Queuing)
Queuing - 3 (Kivvik, nesta, StarvingButStrong)
Gadarene - 1 (chrisk)
hocow - 1 (Malacandra)
Autolycus - 1 (Menocchio)
brewha - 1 (MonkeyMensch)
Rysto - 1 (sturmhauke)
Pygmy Rugger - 1 (zuma)

–FCOD

816

Thanks, FCOD. Being somewhat new to this, here’s another question: is the goal right now simply to lynch someone who’s scum, or should we be trying to lynch someone who’s scum and who might help us figure out who else is scum? It seems to me that the latter goal is greatly preferable, and if this is the case, I submit that we shouldn’t go after people like chrisk and Autolycus whose scumness, even if it’s revealed, won’t tell us much, if anything, about the larger scum network.

I mean, let’s say we lynch Auto. Worst case scenario, he’s a vanilla townie (or a power role), and while we might be able to glean some information from seeing who led the charge against him, it won’t really tell us much because he’s been acting so suspiciously that even other townies might have had legitimate cause to suspect him. Best case scenario, he’s scum. But what does that tell us? Again, because Auto’s generated so much noise on his own, I don’t think you can impute anything into whether or not someone supported or didn’t support his lynching. Thus, I don’t know if his being confirmed scum actually gives us any concrete leads we didn’t have before. Same thing, it seems to me, with chrisk. The two of them are chaff. They could both plausibly be town, and if they’re scum, I don’t think their lynching unlocks many doors.

I’d much rather go after someone who has been making an effort to play the game, someone who’s been part of repeated voting blocs and who has clearly delineated camps of supporters/detractors. That way we get a ton of information about allegiances and alliances (always remembering that scum know more than we do to begin with) even if it turns out, worst-case, that they’re town.

All that being said, then, I think we should be looking at people like Pleonast and Blaster Master rather than chrisk and Autolycus.

817

For this reason, by the way, Menocchio is starting to twig my suspicion meter for his post here:

At best, his reasoning is misguided and unhelpful, I think. And I’m sort of puzzled that CaerieD trusted him…I realize that’s what’s allowing most people to discount the possibility that he’s scum, but there’s something not quite right about his posts to me.

818

[QUOTE=nesta]

NAF1138, can we get a clarification? Is the 12 hours a hard deadline to a lynching, or can we shut it off by unvoting?
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You can shut it off by unvoting.
And I am working on a votecount for this morning, but after the last one I am going to take a little more time with it.

819

On the subject of chrisk, I can assure you that his reasons for subing don’t have to do with his role in the game. We talked about it a bit and his reasons are sound. What I am trying to say is…this isn’t a piece of strategy and I don’t want it to throw the game into a tailspin because you think it might be, he was legitimatly unable to finish the game. If he wants to come in and elaborate later that is fine, but that is all I am going to say on the matter.
Still looking for a sub btw.

820

Hey, anybody else erase entire posts before submitting because you’re afraid of being misinterpreted? Man…

Oh, fantastic. Thanks to preview, there goes my entire analysis of **chrisk ** that I had formulated.

Bottom line is, I made accusations against him. He offered up a half-hearted defense and pretty much admitted he had made a mistake somewhere (post 657). So, I’m still voting him for now. However, if I’m wrong (and also helped drive him from the game unintentionally), I’m truly, truly going to feel miserable.