I can see Winston Smith’s point about getting rid of chrisk, and I rather agree with the sentiment (from a “good for the game” perspective); however, I’m a bit suspicious that the person who put the rope around **Enfant Terrible’**s neck is now the one advocating killing the one person who really cannot possibly defend himself.
On the other hand, I am suspicious of him (chrisk) due to his connection with Blaster Master and Pleonast, both of whom I have been openly critical of. But I don’t think we should lynch chrisk today, while we have other equally viable suspects.
You can also add **Queueing **to my “Mafia Quadumvirate”, based upon his “trust lists” in Posts 327 and 437. (I think the outcome of this upcoming Day/Night cycle will show the worth of these lists. Either they are going to help us wipe out the Mafia in short order, or they are going to doom us to self extinction. I don’t see any middle ground right now.)
I don’t share the suspicion being placed on Autolycus. I don’t think he’s scum; I think he’s just messing around. I do agree that it’s annoying, but I don’t think it’s anything more than that. Of course, I probably won’t mourn too long if he becomes the latest victim of the Serial Killer, but I don’t want his blood on my hands right now.
CaerieD trusted me because she investigated me, and I came up town. Listing me by myself was a strategic error on her part, and likely led to her death, but let’s not let it go to waste.
As town, we have three enemies. The Mafia, the SK, and disruptive town players (the vigilante is also a potential liability and the miller is also likely going to do more harm than good). The first two are our targets, obviously, but the latter group makes it so much harder to ferret out the real scum. If someone is practically begging to be lynched, lynch them. Even if they aren’t scum, The proceeding days will be much smoother for the town.
I’m letting my vote for Autolycus stand, although I see the logic in letting the Vig take the easy ones. The problem I have with that is that I don’t trust the Vig.
With due respect, you’re assuming facts not in evidence. We don’t know this to be true.
This is essentially wrong, isn’t it? Disruptive town members are still town members. Are you seriously suggesting that we should have no qualms about culling townies at this stage, disruptive or otherwise, thus giving the Mafia two hits for the price of one and yielding absolutely no useful information for ourselves? That’s suicide.
As I say, far better to lynch a non-disruptive (but still suspicious) town member…regardless of the outcome, that will tell us far more about the allegiances that have formed than will bumping off Chuckles, the village idiot. No offense, Auto.
Yes, I’m saying that when someone like Autolycus gives us a choice between “dumb or scum playing dumb” then we should lynch them. We’re not so far behind that we absolutely need the bodies, and their subtraction would help us on subsequent days. For one thing, we wouldn’t have to debate this over and over again.
I’m saying that when we have an obvious target, we take it, and not worry about it being too obvious. We find the subtler ones later, and take the gimmes where we can.
If we just ignore them the game will run smoothly as well. If we waste a lynch vote on **Autolycus ** we wouldn’t learn much of anything. Like **Gadarene ** said, it is better to vote for someone that would, if found to be mafia, lead us to a network of other mafioso scum.
If **Pleonast ** turns out to be mafia, we have a good lead on the fact that Blaster Master, **Storyteller0910 **and **Strumhauke **could be mafia. Blaster Master and Storyteller0910, along with Pleonast, tried to steer people away from voting for Sturmhauke. They also both voted for our dearly departed **Enfant Terrible. **
It might not be much, but it is a whole lot better than what we would get if we lynch Autolycus.
I think I pretty much put my opinion on that one in my last post: If you don’t have any other good Mafia suspicions, vote for the disruptive/unhelpful players. For 2 reasons: (1) Perhaps they’re being disruptive/unhelpful because they’re Mafia and (2) players, even Civilians, who are being disruptive or unhelpful hurt the Town and help the Mafia. If the odds are likely that a Civilian is gonna be lynched, make it one who’s not helping.
I completely disagree with you, Menocchio, and agree with Lakai. For what it’s worth, my pretty-much-trust list right now consists of myself, Rysto, and Lakai. Everyone I’ve previously trusted is out the window at the moment. (And, of course, if either Rysto or Lakai turn out to be scum, I’ll look like a total idiot.)
Kat:
Auto may be unhelpful, Kat, but how in the world is he being disruptive? chrisk was being a bit more disruptive than Auto, but as he’s apparently asked to leave the game I assume any disruption on his part will now cease.
Why don’t we just lynch scum, instead? Seems to solve that problem without the pragmatism of, “Oh well, we’re gonna further decimate townie numbers anyway…”
I also concur with Lakai that sturmhauke is potentially very suspicious, although I’d rather string up Pleonast or Blaster Master first to see if the network unravels that way.
Apologies for the triple-post, but I just want to reiterate that the above statement is either spectacularly wrong or dangerously wrong. We’re behind 6-0! How can town interests possibly be served right now by getting rid of someone whose only real crime has been his piss-poor Damon Runyon impression? Hell, Auto’s not even posting that much.
I understand your thinking Menocchio, that a player that isn’t playing is hurting us overall, but I don’t think we gain anything at this point by lynching Autolycus. If he’s scum then it would be good to have him gone of course, but if he is scum he’s not really doing much to help their cause. I find his posts very annoying, but there haven’t been very many of them so they’re easy to ignore. He hasn’t posted much game relevant info so if he’s town he’s just dead weight. I don’t think lynching him just to get rid of him, and then giving the mafia a free night, would be our best move.
I say we encourage the Vig to take him out tonight and concentrate on people whose deaths give us more information.
I’m just getting back in after a thrilling weekend with my in-laws, which is why I’ve been mostly silence these last 24 (IRL) hours. I’m going to spend some quality time reading this thread - 17 pages! In two game days! - and be back with more substantive discussion in a little while. Sorry for my brief absence.
I didn’t mean to imply that Auto was being disruptive (yet, at least). The two of you were discussing disruptive members in general, as well as Auto in particular.
That’s why I specified “when you don’t have any other good Mafia suspects”. If you’re equally suspicious of everyone, take out the unhelpful folks first. It’s better than flipping a coin or using random.org anyway.
True. Although I would submit—and I don’t know whether you disagree—that we do have some other good, or at least colorable, Mafia suspects right now. That is to say, we have what looks to be a loose voting bloc whose input has steered us towards lynching townies and who appear to be protecting each other. I say we try to unravel that thread.
We’ve got all this back and forth finger-pointing and remarkably indepth analysis of a buttload of posts. All of this is based on (shout out to dearly departed CaerieD) circumstantial evidence. We’ve had one vote, people; in a round that is commonly understood to be nothing but random anyways. Our detective had one chance to make her findings known, and we’re arguing over whether one of four people was her “breadcrumb.”
Votes are what will drive our lynching the scum, and we’ve got squat so far. One almost random guess that turned out to be wrong.
We’re waiting to hear from 3 (IIRC) people thus far, and we are loathe to lynch another townie. I say we wait to hear from them, step back away from the keyboard, and take a good hard look at everything CaerieD posted. Then vote from what we glean from that.
Otherwise we’re spitting into the wind. Everything we say is coming back to bite us in the ass and doing nothing but muddying the waters anyways.
That’s it Pinocchio, you’ve gones really cheezed me off. Youz must got some big-ass balls to be treatin’s me like that, likes I’m some animal you can just puts down. I’ve been in this damn shithole town since befores you even was born, so dont go talkin’ to me like you is king. You 'aint king of shit, jackass.
It justs so happens like the lynch mob is handin’s out voter cards, so I’ms gonna violate my code and fills in your name. If they donts do it, maybe I’lls do it myself, who knows right?
Vote Menocchio
