I have it as Rysto (who voted and then unvoted for Chrisk/JSexton), and Brewha as not having voted. Whom did Brewha vote for?
I have brewha as voting and then unvoting Blaster Master.
I missed him because NAF1138 counted too many votes for Pleonast, so I only looked for one person who did not vote.
It looks as if we have 29 voters and 2 undecided.
I did, where?
I switched to Blaster Master. You have me twice.
I’ll give credit to JSexton, he was very close. I have been trying to make my role apparent for some time in hopes that the doctor could keep me alive at night to benefit the town. I had really hoped to not have to post this until at least the third or fourth day, but it looks like I don’t have any choice but to role claim now.
**Point 1: ** If I am the Vigilante, who have I killed thus far? On night 1, I killed Captain Carrot because, as I posted earlier, since the first kill is pretty much random, I wanted to ensure that the new players had their opportunity. On night 2, I killed CaerieD, for the reasons I stated earlier… she looked very scummy to me; I was wrong, and I apologize to her and to the town. I had asked for more input from the town, but only one person obliged and I didn’t agree with his/her suggestion for me to kill Autolycus.
**Point 2: ** If you are the Vigilante and had called for the Vigilante to kill Queuing, why didn’t you kill Queuing last night? Simple, how suspicious would it have looked if both Queuing and CaerieD had died last night? I almost certainly would have been pegged.
**Point 3: ** How can you prove you’re the vigilante? Simple, don’t lynch me today, and lynch either Gadarene or Queuing, either of which is almost certainly scum. I will target the opposite one. If the one I target tongiht comes up as scum, then you know for certain I’m not mafia.
Point 4: How can we be sure you’re not the serial killer masquerading as the vigilanate? If I am actually the SK, then it’s up to the real vigilante if he wants to kill me or not. However, I’ve made it very clear what I think the winning strategy is for both the SK and the VIG; and that is, to help the town.
Point 5: Let’s say we believe you are the vigilante, what happens tonight?
This is a complicated one, so let me play out the options as I see them:
As I stated earlier, I am more than willing to kill whichever between **Gadarene ** and **Queuing ** is not lynched today; and if neither is lynched, I’ll kill Gadarene. Since I’m not mafia, I believe if either of them (and certainly the one I kill tonight) will prove conclusively that I’m going pro-town.
Will the SK kill me? I can’t imagine he will, because IMO his best option is to help the town AND have a shorter game; both of which I will help with. On top of that, I’ve made it clear I have no intention of hunting him down at this time. Further, if he gets revealed or put on the chopping block, he can always attempt to use me as a scape goat to try to prevent from getting lynched for at least another day.
Will the mafia kill me? Probably. However, they may not attack me if the one I’ll target tonight is actually not mafia, in which case they will let me live to get lynched quickly tomorrow OR if they think the doctor or one of the GAs will protect me tonight.
Bottom line, you can lynch me now, and find out the hard way that the bandwagon on me was by the mafia OR you can let me live, get at least one more kill in tonight, and either let the mafia do your dirty work or lynch me tomorrow if by some miracle a miller blocks me, or the doctor sillily decides to protect **Gadarene ** or Queuing.
If you do decide to lynch me, or let me live and I die tonight, here’s the ones at whom I’d point the FoS in order of my certainty they’re mafia and/or SK:
Gadarene
Queuing
Winston Smith
Aguecheek
Brewha
ArizonaTeach
Pleonast
hocow
Pygmy Rugger
To you all, especially the top four or five. If I’m lynched, I can almost guarantee most of you will follow.
All right, here’s my proposal. Whether or not Blaster_Master is the Vig or the SK, we can make use of him. Here’s what we do: every Day, we vote to lynch somebody else, and also vote on a target for Blaster_Master. If Blaster_Master’s target ever survives, we lynch him. That way, whether Blaster_Master is the Vig or the SK, we get the benefits of his kills? Any thoughts?
Huh? Particularly point 2. How would both I and CaerieD have died in the night, causing so much suspicion to fall on you? Are you claiming that the reason there was not a 3rd person was because of some sort of farfetched double kill of CaerieD?
I don’t believe you. I think you are the SK. You can say what you want about how you think they should play, but the SK only wins by surviving until a win condition is in place for either town or mafia. They don’t care who wins, they only care that they survive.
I think you are hoping that the Doctor protects you, the town lynches myself or Gadarene and you hope one of us is the Mafia. Well, for myself, that isn’t true.
My vote stands.
On preview. Interesting idea Rysto. May I ask whom you would first propose?
Pleonast?
Gadarene?
Me?
Damn I really did get use to this editing thing.
That is a good idea, but if he survives until a win condition is met, and he is the SK he wins. We all lose. So what do we do then?
My initial thought is that he won’t survive long enough for us to get that benefit. I have much pondering to do about this revelation.
How would that work out? Would he just take the 2nd highest vote? Because if we try to have 2 separate votes running, my head will explode.
That was a reply to Rysto’s suggestion.
It becomes a problem if Blaster Master is not the Vigilante. It does not matter anyway because there is no reason for the SK to believe that Blaster Master is not going to go after him.
Blaster Master dies either way.
Augh, this is impossible. I had finally caught up, and started organizing my thoughts and getting ready to make a few points, and then Blaster Master drops his bombshell and everything I was going to say is basically out of date.
I don’t know if I believe Blaster Master’s claim or not, but I rather believe it’s in our best interest to act as if we believe it until evidence against is presented. Other than that, jeez, I’ll need until morning to form some kind of coherent analysis about where to go next. It’s looking more and more like no one likes my FlyingCowofDoom reasoning, though, so I’m getting off the Ralph Nader ticket by saying -
unvote FlyingCowofDoom
I don’t know if you would be willing to do this, but I for one would like to hear what you were going to say, Storyteller0910
I’ve had a second idea, but I’m not as sure about this one. I’m just going to throw this one out for discussion; I’m not endorsing the idea yet but I’d like everybody’s thoughts. Don’t lynch Blaster Master unless someone counter-claims Vig. If no one claims, Blaster Master gets the Doc’s protection tonight. Basically, we want to make it so that the only way Blaster Master can get killed in during the Day, and we only do that if the Vig is willing to out himself. The nice thing about this is that we use the SK to implicitly confirm Blaster Master’s claim – he can’t get rid of the Vig without outing himself, and then he’ll lose.
Some issues:
- is it reasonable to trade the Vig for the SK?
- guaranteeing the Doc’s protection gives the Mafia a free hand to kill whomever they like tonight
- a Mafioso could make a false claim and kill off our Vig. Is it reasonable to trade the Vig for a Mafioso? In our position, I’m not sure that it is; on the other hand, if Blaster Master is the Vig we’re likely to lose him anyway
Well, I’ll post the one element of my thinking that still stands, even now. It’s really tempting to assume that the Mafia is going to make our work really easy by voting in neat, clean, well-organized blocs, such that as soon as we identify one, we will have an easy time catching the rest. The problem with Gadarene’s “network” theory is that it falls apart completely if the Mafia collectively have half a brain. I think we should be looking for patterns outside of the really obvious “X voted with Y, ergo X is aligned with Y” - unfortunately, with the amount of noise and signal we’re getting in this thread, I’m not sure how easy that’s going to be.
But that seems secondary right now to figuring out how to handle Blaster Master’s role claim, and as I have no idea about that right now, I’m going to bed. More tomorrow.
That sounds like a plan to me. If he is indeed the Vig, we can use him to help us. I say we let him live for now.
As for Jsexton’s suspicion of me - I don’t know how I should defend my position without being defensive. I was unable to check this thread for almost 2 days, and when I did, I found two votes against me. I was just trying to explain my situation, I was not trying to be defensive (though now, despite my best efforts, I probably sound defensive).
So, in light of Blaster Master’s claim,
Lynch Queuing
Is this idea in cahoots with your previous idea? Blaster Master can only kill whomever the day votes decide for him to kill?
One flaw is that the SK wins if he lives. S/He doesn’t really care that much who the Vig is, so long as they live they win. This does nothing to stop the SK.
I think the issues are still the same. By the end of the day one of these 4 people MUST be dead.
Blaster Master
Pleonast
Gadarene
Queuing
We only gain info by killing 1 of these people, IMO. It seemed that a number of us, 9, believe this should be Blaster Master. The question is, do we believe this role claim? I for one, do not.
We are running out of time. Really we have to do have someone at 10 by tomorrow evening. This triggers the 12 hour period, yes, however by noon wednesady someone dies anyway. This is close enough to tomorrow night that it should be done then to give the person whom we decide one last chance to claim.
To be honest, I don’t see how any of the 4 listed above, can claim (beyond Blaster Master). I have already claimed. As has Gadarene. As has Pleonast (I think).
Oh god, I almost think it makes the least amount of sense to kill Blaster Master now. For the town we order him to kill one of us 3. We kill one of the other 2. This might give us the most information. Ugh…
unvote Blaster Master
Oh geez, did I just do that?
Lynch Pleonast
Selfishly, I want to add Zuma to the list, and make it 5. I think S/He is scum. However I don’t think I can get that to fly. So umm…
Blaster Master I submit that you kill gadarene.
Oh man, did I just hit submit?
All righty. You know what, I’m going to go forward on the assumption that he is the vigilante unless someone makes a counter claim, and at the moment, someone else has made the hairs on my neck stand.
unvote Blaster Master.
And because of the shout-out in this post, of which the only purpose I can fathom is to make people suspicious of an alliance between me and Gadarene in case he turns out to be scum, I will vote to lynch Gadarene.
First, thanks for reading the entire thread. 
Next, my post 884 suggested you be lynched because:
I wasn’t scared of you - I thought you would be much more active than ChrisK (as you are), and would respond interestingly to a threat. There had been some suspicion of ChrisK from his initial suggestion, which endangered the Town. Either he was Mafia or inexperienced.
N.B. At that point there were three players with more votes than you, two of whom I trusted.
I changed my vote later after a suggestion that the Town should be concentrating its votes on the leading players facing lynching.
In post 267 I have:
- a rules query
- a complaint about random voting (specifically me being targeted)
- a note on SK and Vig behaviour
I presume my complaining about random attacking raises your hackles?
So if I don’t deny it, I’m Mafia, but if I do I’m suspicious? 
In post 363 I said:
I’ve stuck in analysis and want to be judged on that.
If I post rubbish, lynch me.
If I get assassinated, you’ll know my stuff was good.
I stand by that. 