Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!)

The Game Room
1121

Queuing, are you trying to confuse the fuck out of everybody? You said that you had **Autolycus ** voting for Menocchio, but then don’t show it.

Autolycus, you said your vote stands, but I don’t see you as having one. :confused:

I have:

Pleonast - 5 - Queuing, Kat, Sub P, Fern, Fretful Porpentine
Blaster Master - 7 - pimaspinner, hocow, pygmy, gadarene, winston, aquecheek, lakai
Queuing - 5 - kivvik, starvingbutstong, zuma, pleonast, brewha
Pygmy Rugger - 4 - FCOD, MtS, menocchio, glee
Rysto - 1- sturmhauke
hocow - 1 - malacandra
Gadarene - 4 - Smitty, Blaster Master, nesta, arizonateach

Sorry for not capitalizing names, I was typing them out, not pasting, and please correct my count if it is wrong. As of post 1109, it’s what I have.
Now for a little peek into my brain. If Blaster Master is Mafia, then the Mafia will kill whoever we tell the Vig to kill. The real Vig kills someone else. The SK kills whoever he wants to. Result is that we DON’T KNOW who’s kill is who’s. This could be a brilliant strategy. I don’t know whether or not to believe **Blaster ** **Master’s ** role-claim. The Doc could opt to protect him, but if the scum think they know who he is, this could be a way for them to get him when he protects **Blaster ** instead of himself. If **Blaster ** is the real Vig, then we might get a nights use out of him.

For now:unvote Blaster Master. I don’t know who my new vote is going to yet, but it will either be Gadarene, Pleonast, or Queuing. Any of these we can get info from.

So make that Blaster Master - 6

1122

He said he killed CaerieD last night. Therefore there is no way he knows who the doctor is. The SK or Mafia might, but not BM.

1123

Killing the SK not only slows the game down, in my chart it extended the game by one day, but in doing so it increases the number of players at the end from something like 4 to over 10. Which would make the game more deliberate and less chaotic. That way we’d only have 1 murder to puzzle over every night rather then 2 or 3.

I’m still happy with my vote. **JSexton **has a nice strong post with lots of declaratory statements. That would really paint a target on his back were he a mobster and proven drastically wrong a few times.

I do believe the VG is still town and even if he dies and the town wins, he wins. I thought that the SK wins by surviving but wins along with which ever other side survives. In other words he’s a floater between the sides.

If I recall correctly Blaster Master who hypothsized that the Mob went for **cowgirl **and **CaerieD **was killed by one of the other roles. I do think I believe him. And I think a 1 for 1 claim is a positive for us. 50% will win the game for the town.

1124

Yes, but is there any reason for the Doc to block anyone but himself on the second night?

1125

Fine, but then we get the Mafia killing who we want to kill instead of who they want to kill. Plus, eventually we’d ask him to kill a Mafioso, which would put the Mafia in a tight spot.

1126

Queuing:

I agree with this and with the rest of your post.

Rysto:

Good point.

I’m so confused now. This is a hard game. :confused:

1127

Sorry Queuing, I see you already addressed to vote count whilst I was composing.

I’m still :confused: about **Autolycus ** though.

1128

I’d hope that we asked him to kill a Mafioso straight off, not “eventually”. If we unintentionally tell him to target town, then the Mafia gets 2 kills. :mad: I was sort of on board with your plan, but the more I think about it, not so much.

1129

Trying to? No. I have two documents going with votes, a spreadsheet and a word doc. I am posting from the word doc. I looked up Autocylus on my spreadsheet. Sorry about that. I think I will stop posting the votes. My confidence in my notes is waning for the people who haven’t had many votes. I am confident the top 4 are correct however.

I reiterate my call for those who have “safe” votes to join the crowd, pick a side and vote for one of the top 4.

6 - Blaster Master - (Gadarene, hocow, pygmy rugger, Winston, Aguacheek, Lakia)
5 - Queuing - (Zuma, starving but strong, Kivvik, Pleonast, brewha)
5 - Pleonast - (Kat, Suburban plankton, Fernforest, fretfulporcupine, Queuing)
4 - Gadarene - (Smitty, Blaster Master, Nesta, Arizona Teach)

At least I hope so…

1130

No, but I have my strong suspicions.

Option 1: The doctor may protect me or not, and that is up to him whether he trusts my claim or not. As long as a strong possibility exists that he may be protecting me, I expect the mafia and SK may decide it’s not worth wasting a hit on me.
Option 2 However, if you all believe I may be the SK, then here’s a way to solve that problem without using a protection or outing the VIG. Don’t lynch me, and don’t protect me. If I’m the SK or mafia, then the VIG should target me and kill me tonight; he won’t know the difference and he won’t care because either is good for the town at this point. If I’m really the SK, then the VIG will then become a confirmed townie. However, this also counts on the mafia thinking i may be the SK and NOT taking a hit on me, because it is in their best interest to let the VIG kill me if I’m the SK because the wild card is gone, and the pro-town killer is gone, and one confirmed townie means fewer suspects for the remaining power-roles.
If we go with option one, I’m almost guaranteed to live, but I’m not sure how much that convinces you all that i’m the VIG and not the SK, especially if my night target ends up being a townie. If we go with option 2, and my night target ends up being either the SK or mafia, then I think it will essentially (or if it’s the SK, actually) prove I’m the VIG.

Assuming none of the power roles do something to the detriment of the town, then if my night target doesn’t die, I will not resist a lynching tomorrow.

That said, I’ll repeat my request that we lynch one and target the other between Gadarene and Queuing. I’m far more convinced they’re mafia than any other two individuals.

1131

The point is, if I kill someone who most likely would have been lynched the next day anyway, then it’s still better than me not killing who we agree I should kill, because we would have ended up wasting a lynch on that other person instead, and gotten THREE kills in favor of the mafia instead of just two.

1132

I was with you all the way, Blaster Master, until this.

See, I’m positive I’m not mafia. (Honest! I even went back to my PM and checked.) So your determined belief that I am both rubs me the wrong way and makes me wonder why you profess to be so darned sure. You want to elucidate? Is it just that I targeted you, so you figure I must must must be scum? Is there any possibility in your brain that you’re wrong about that?

Why us, for example, and not Pleonast?

1133

Ok, let’s go through all the scenarios.

If Blaster Master is the Vig, we get a second controlled killing. This would be great if Blaster Master is telling the truth and goes along with us.

If Blaster Master is mafia, he would theoretically only target townies. If we choose someone for him to kill, and that person is alive come morning, we can then lynch Blaster Master. In this scenario, the real vig would have to keep quiet and not kill who we tell Blaster Master to kill.

If Blaster Master is the SK, the Vig won’t kill him because he would be busy worrying if Blaster Master has the Doctor’s protection of not. The vig would have to wait for the doctor to die in order to strike. Meanwhile, Blaster Master enjoys the doctor’s protection and kills who we tell him.

Here is where things get tricky. If Blaster Master is the SK, and kills a Mafioso when we tell him, then the Vig would know that Blaster Master is the SK and he could then come out of the woodwork. Then we can lynch Blaster Master.

I can’t see Blaster Master winning if he is lying. If he is mafia or SK, he just postponed his execution. We can still lynch someone equally as suspect in the meantime.

Before I confuse NAF1138 even more by switching votes to Pleonast, I want to see what people think of this. Rysto, who would you vote for if Blaster Master agrees with this?

Blaster Master, would you go along with this?

1134

At first, I thought BM was FoS* with his claim, so I didn’t pay much attention to the details. Now, I think we may be on to something. If we take a chance on him for tonight, and ask the Doc to protect him, he says he’ll kill Gadarene. If we vote for Queuing, assuming BM is spot on, we can get rid of two scum by tomorrow morning. Depending on what the SK does, of course, maybe 3. If he’s lying, we’ll know first thing in the morning, and tomorrow’s vote tally should only take 10 posts.

I can only see him being the Vig or SK, though, it’s too much of a risk for him to claim the role if he’s Mafia, for several reasons posted above.

As I see it, the other option is to vote for Pleonast. The countdown hasn’t started, but I’m going to unvote BM . I’ll recast my vote for one of the two midmorning.

*That means Full of Shit, right? Argh, I know what it means, but I don’t know what it stands for, actually (Finger of Suspicion?).

1135

I really don’t think the real VIG should claim. Let Blaster live through the day, if he is lying, the real VIG will kill him tonight.

My vote stands with Pygmy Rugger.

1136

So far as I can tell, it looks like the main reason for the pleonast bandwagon is because of the trust/mistrust list and it looks more like an honest mistake than a scum tell, plus, I haven’t seen his defense yet, so I’m just not as convinced.

I’m convinced you’re scum for multiple reasons, including the bandwagon vote on Enfant Terrible and this bandwagon on me for what looks to me to be very flimsy reasoning. Bottom line, it doesn’t matter, because one of the three of you will be lynched, I’ll kill one, and we’ll ask the SK to kill the third; so chances are that all three of you will die by tomorrow morning anyway, unless I’m lynched today.

1137

Unless the doc protects him.

1138

Yes, FoS = Finger of Suspicion.

1139

Lakai:

There’s another scenario. Given the 6-0 headstart the Mafia has in winnowing our numbers, they might be willing to sacrifice one of their members to keep us in the dark for a day or two longer. Which means that Blaster Master, if he is Mafia, might not have any qualms about killing a Mafia member at our behest over the night to establish his legitimacy…as long as it was a Mafia member whose death he felt wouldn’t do too much damage in the long run.

So I propose that if we do go along with this, we choose only suspects with seemingly well-established networks—high-value suspects, as it were—for Blaster Master to kill.

I’m assuming Queuing is town, by the way, but I have to say that I could be wrong about that. I’m not wrong about me, however.

1140

Blaster Master:

If you’re wrong about me, to what extent does that throw your personal worldview out of whack?