Oh, damn. Dollars to donuts the Doc’s been protecting himself, and the Mafia knows it.
Why the Masonic lodge?
Well, I can’t say it that was entirely unexpected, but well, it was unexpected.
I had fun with my two days. No hard feelings, eh?
Over to the afterlife, or the forbidden thread as the case may be.
Have fun everyone.
Oh, my God. We got a Mafia person!
So Blaster Master hit Winston Smith, the SK hit Nesta, and the Mafia hit was unsuccessful. Whoever the Mafia tried to kill had the protection of either the Doc or the GA (if there is one). I hope the Doc protected Blaster Master and not himself. If he protected himself, the Mafia now know his identity. :eek:
At this point, I’m inclined to think that Blaster Master is indeed the Vigilante.
**Pleonast ** and **zuma ** I believe are masons because no one came forth to challenge them. I know this thinking could be wrong, and the other masons (if there are any more) are staying in hiding, but as of now, I’m going on the assumption that they are indeed masons.
I’ve always thought **Queuing ** was town, and that hasn’t changed.
I think we now need to shift our focus over to people who weren’t as high profile in their arguments on day 2. In no particular order : Smitty, hocow, ArizonaTeach, sturmhauke, storyteller0910 and** Rysto**. I think the mafia was kicking back and watching the town self-destruct yesterday.
Sorry, Gadarene.
I realise things look bad for the Town, but I think it was just unfortunate that Gadarene was so suspicious of Townies like Pleonast, Blaster Master and Zuma.
I think there is definitely still time to turn things around.
In my opinion, Blaster Master has established his credentials as the Vigilante, as requested, by taking out Winston. (Sadly Winston made a series of shaky posts which led us to believe he was Mafia.)
So, Blaster Master, it’s good to have you on the team - keep up the removal work!
I assume that the Serial Killer got Nesta, which helps keep the game alive and that the Doctor protected whoever the Mafia went for (e.g. Blaster Master). Nice one, Doc!
I’ll analyse Gadarene’s suspicions later but look forward to reading analysis of both our next lynching and Blaster Master’s target.
One benefit of announcing the Vigilante’s target is that the Serial Killer can go for a separate victim (presumably Mafia, since the Killer can’t hope to win if there are two of more Mafia left).
Ok. Now we actually have something to build on. It seems that we owe some gratitude to the serial killer/vigilante (whichever one Blaster isn’t). Now we need someone to dig through nesta’s posts.
I think there’s been a tendency for a few players to drown out everybody else. But, as Nesta has shown, the loudest aren’t necessarily the most important. So settle down, everyone, try to keep the post count low (we have until Monday, there’s no reason this can’t be done at a reasonable pace), and let’s take a second look at some folks who haven’t been doing the most shouting.
I think Rysto is right in that the mafia has found the doctor, and are now at siege with him. The other possibilities, which I find less likely, are:
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The doctor blocked a third party against the mafia the previous night, and wisely blocked a second attempt last night.
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Blaster Master is mafia, and will do our bidding only as long as we send him (them) against town. The doctor is struggling against the serial killer or (even less likely) the vigilante.
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A miller’s found a mafioso and has been getting damn lucky beating the odds against blocking a mafia kill.
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The godfather found Nesta in bed with his favorite moll. IOW, the confusion and bickering on the mafia boards make this one look like a quilting bee. The befuddled SK can’t choose which gang of morons to back and is abstaining until things clear up.
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The doctor’s just that damn good. Two nights. Two different targets. Two successful blocks. Good playing if so.
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The mafia gambled and went after Blaster Master.
I’m wondering if it would be beneficial for the doctor to out himself if he has indeed been discovered. But then, given the other possibilities, I’m not sure he’d be certain that this is the case, so I can’t quite call for that yet.
Since I’m here already, I’m gonna followup on something I said right before I wetn to bed last night, because it’s been bugging me and because checking up on it brought a revelation.
I know this wasn’t addressed to me, but my confusion wasn’t because I thought you shouldn’t get a vote. It was because there was a whole bunch of people ragging on zuma when he commented about you posting your choice of victim, and yet when you posted Winston Smith as the victim, none of them objected then. Nor did they say anything after I posted about it. I found that odd.
Now that it’s day again, I was going to look up who it was and see if any of them were posting after your suggestion and/or after my post, and found something quite interesting. In post 1309, zuma says:
Why would he say that if both he and Pleonast were both Masons? And if Pleonast is not a Mason, why didn’t zuma just counterclaim, instead of letting it sit until zuma was in danger, and then claiming and asking for Pleonast to back him up? And if zuma is not a Mason and Pleonast is, why did he back zuma’s claim?
And if neither is a Mason, where the hell are the real Masons?!
Nothing is stopping a Mafioso from claiming Doc, either. I have to believe that the Mafia would be willing to trade a Mafioso for a 50% chance of killing the Doc.
At that point, zuma wouldn’t have wanted to let on that she’s a Mason. As a Mason, she knew that Pleonast’s claim was true, and she needed to ensure that the Town wouldn’t decide that he was lying without any evidence of a lie.
I drafted this earlier today (I could see the writing on the wall). Since Nesta was killed and confirmed scum, some of my oservations are redundent. Since those observations tie som of the scum together, I’m leaving this (mostly) as I drafted it earlier. Good luck, town. You need it.
Folks, you’ve been had. I tried to warn you, but it was too late. The scum already had you all on the run, confused you, and tricked you with a lot of double-talk and false analysis. Right now, you’re doing the Mafia’s dirty work for them, and they’re laughing their asses off down at JSexton’s Legitimate Businessman’s Club. More on that later. Blaster Master has evidently orchestrated my undoing. He’s bad news, anti-town, and now has three (count 'em) confirmed townie kills under his belt (CaerieD, Gadarene and Winston Smith. What more proof do you want? I mean, if you folks don’t string up Blaster Master after this, you’re going to have to relinquish your Mensa Membership Cards and go to work caning chairs part-time. Seriously. But enough conjecture. Let’s look at the posts.
Page 22, Post 1061, jsexton, the Godfather (yeah, I think he’s the top banana) posts his “analysis”. He’s very canny, and actually outs a couple of his scummy colleagues in that post. Namely: Blaster Master, Pleonast, Queuing, but also buries a couple in his “confirmed town” section. Namely: Rysto, Nesta and Zuma.
Page 24 Post 1185, I start to figure out what is going on. I expose Blaster Master and Queuing for what they are - scum. I also tipped my hand and exposed jsexton without actually realizing it (I casually stated he could be scum. That’s the post that set everything in motion against me.
Page 25, Post 1243, Pleonast (scum), falsely claims Mason status to save his neck from the noose. On his trust list are all the usual suspects. Namely: Blaster Master, JSexten, Rysto, and Zuma. And just for laughs, he puts Queuing on his “mistrust/scum” list.
At this point, JSexton starts lobbying hard for “directed night kills” by our supposed captured Vigilante. He posts a few times about this on pp 25 and 26. I’m not going to link to the posts, but they’re easy enough to find - almost every one of his posts on those two pages are pro-directed-night-kill.
Then something strange happens. brewha inexplicably unvotes Queuing (Post 1274). The Mafia puts on a pretty convincing drama of infighting, accusations, and general noise making.
On page 27, Post 1340, I out these guys, and seal my fate. I’m quoting myself here for dramatic effect.
Blaster Master: targeting Gadarene for night kill
Zuma: fake Mason claim
Blaster Master: looks like he’s pleading for us to not lynch Queuing, but maybe he’s directing the Mafia kill in a different direction
Pleonast: unvoting Queuing
zuma: unvoting Queuing
And so on.
At the top of page 29, I called JSexton out as Mafia, and brought about my own demise, I think.
Townsfolk, if you want any chance of survival, I urge you to re-read Page 29 in it’s entirety. This entire drama is played out there almost completely. Here, Blaster Master gets my murder plans underway. And it’s all downhill from there, really. [Blaster Master manages to twist things around with so much double-talk and bs from his scummy buddies that he’s gonna kill who he wants to kill, forget what the town is telling him to do, and the icing on the cake is that he manages to convince you all that it was your idea.
And, yeah. I idiotically unvoted Queuing
Here’s Rysto communicating to his scummie pals that I’m a target.
And this, here, is important enough to link to and quote directly. This is JSexton and Rysto openly discussing Mafia strategy right in front of us. And it’s pretty obvious at this point that they’re kind of mocking us, too.
Nesta confirms that Gadarene isn’t scum and indicates I’m the Vig (SK?) target. Post 1526, double-talk to get me assasinated.
For what it’s worth, I’m not sure about glee or StarvingButStrong, but consider both of them prime suspects if you’ve already taken out the cabal I’ve already identified and you still smell something bad about town. And if it comes to that, and you have to kill him, I would appreciate it if MadTheSwine didn’t suffer. Much.
Here’s Rysto either padding the vote or trying to make it look like there is more support for Vigging me than there really is. This is his second “official” vote for Vigging me, by the way.
And, in the middle of the night, Kat says "Wait a minute! WTF is going on here?!? Winston’s getting railroaded!
And Pygmy Rugger’s response a couple posts later (I’m a big fan of brevity, by the way)
Ah. Finally somebody sees what is going on. Too bad you’re too late to save my me. Maybe not too late to save yourselves, though. If you’re smart. And listen to good ol’ Winston.
And just for fun, here’s Lakai being a weisenheimer.
That’s it. I’m spent. I spent 2 hours putting this together. I sure hope you folks don’t let these guys bullshit their way out of the noose. I’ll be really, really, really dissappointed in all of you if you do. You’re way behind, townies. Time to step it up and start playing smart. You’ve got smart, experienced Mafia all over you. Like shooting fish in a barrell so far.
I really hope you vindicate me. I did this for you.
/game
I had a great time. Thanks. Enjoy, all! 
:smack:
You’re absolutely right. I just skimmed over the post it was in reply to the first time, and completely missed that it was a response to an accusation about fake role claims.
Sorry, Pleonast and zuma.
That was in reply to Rysto.
Hmm – I think it’s possible to parse that quote as “I don’t believe there are any fake role claims on our side, but I’ll agree that there are after someone counterclaims Pleonast (which I have reason to think they won’t, although I don’t want to share that reason with you).” Still, I’m reserving judgment about all of the role claims so far – I’ve seen nothing that makes it impossible for BlasterMaster to be Mafia or the SK, or for Pleonast and zuma to both be Mafia (although I think it’s likely that one of the real Masons would have stepped up after zuma’s claim if that were the case).
By the way, I suspect the Mafia were tossing apples of discord right and left all day yesterday, and our best strategy is to go back through the posts and see who seems to be fanning the flames.
I think everyone was fanning the flames yesterday. We were all paranoid out of our skulls.
We have to assume Pleonast and Zuma are masons at this point. Can anyone think of a good reason why a mason would not counterclaim?
Yeah, I don’t buy it, Winston.
For your list to be true, all of the masons and the vigilante would have had to fail to counterclaim. The vigilante I can almost see, but the masons? If even one of them had stepped forward, even if we immediately lynched him, we could have traded one townie for two scum. Still a bargain even at this stage.
Here’s the real problem though: JSexton accused Blaster of being the Serial Killer. This was unnecessary. And if this was their plan all along, it means turning over their kill to the town. Sure, they’ll abandon Blaster when we actually send him after a mafioso, but until then they can’t go after doctor or mason suspects. Just whoever we tell them to kill. That would be a bigger loss for them than any one mafioso.
You know, the only time I’ve ever been right with a theory is when I though Menoccio was scum in the first game. I’m beginning to think that I’m some kind of real Seer/Detective – only I work in reverse. I read Townsfolk as scum, Mafia as Town, but the Alpha Wolf/Godfather as scum. So here’s what I propose: I’ll come up with some new theory, and we can safely assume that whomever I accuse is Town. :smack:
Just got in.
Awright! Facts, or at least a semblance of same. Maybe this re-read will be entertaining or at least informative.
Y’all ever see GHOSTBUSTERS? You know the scene where the secretary character is sitting really bored at the desk, because they’ve never had a client, and then Sigourney Weaver calls, and she listens and nods a few times, and then she stands up and yells: “WE GOT ONE!”?
Well, WE GOT ONE! Nesta is Mafia. I have no idea what this means, but I’m going to hold off on watching Lost until tomorrow and see if I can figure it out.
Once more into the breach…