Unvote: JSexton
I can understand his arguments regarding the SK/Vig. I’m not sure I agree completely, but it’s probably moot as the vig has to kill anyway… I just wanted to put him out there as a topic of discussion because of chrisk’s actions early in the game.
In the meantime I’ll be taking a look at some of the people lying low and not posting a lot. I’ll agree with Queuing in that he and I and a few other people need to shut up for a while, and let others start defending themselves.
I proposed earlier that Pleonast handle the MB kill and votes, and he counter-proposed me. I’m willing to do it, unless there is a lot of objection. As I stated earlier I was away when MB threw up Winston as a target and kind of rammed it through, and it still bothers me. I have a bit less trust of MB right now.
OK, I can see your point here. I still think he can be a valuable asset for now. That is, we should be trying to figure out who the SK is now so we can dispatch him in a few days. When the game gets closer to the end the Vig becomes more of a liability. Although I understand a little more what his point is, my suspicion for JSexton remains.
zuma I think you should handle the Blaster Master kills. Having a Mason pick the extra person to kill increases our advantage because there are probably two or three masons still out there. This way they won’t get outed unnecessarily if the town starts voting for BM to kill one.
Out of curiosity, why do you always use MB instead of BM?
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Argh, double sig lines. I’ll be good and follow the rules about no editing…
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I’ve screwed up everyone’s name here, pretty much!
I’ll just go with the town concensus and be around for the mad last-minute voting and such. I just want to avoid any more BM running the show.
What? Context? How could there be context when I wasn’t actually responding to anything? I said that the mafia has been successful in creating white noise. **Do you disagree with that? ** You avoided that part of my post, I noticed. Since, by my calculations (and let me go back and check here…hmmm…yes) we have lynched two villagers, it seems to me that the mafia is confusing the issue.
And this, incidentally, was exactly what I was talking about when I said that every post would be examined ad infinitum, which, when 30 people are doing could only help the mafia.
Looking forward, I see you might have been confused in the posting, which kinda proves the point.
Anyway, FTR, I don’t think that you’re scum…at the moment! I reserve the right to be absolutely positively wrong like I have been so far.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
That’s my Scum Detector going off.
This plan translates to: a) let BM pick his own targets and b) lych him the moment he picks a target wrong.
This helps the town how, exactly? We lose the townie BM kills and then we lose the services of our ‘tool’ AND if it turns out BM is indeed SK and not Vig, we also lose the services of the Vig.
AND, let me point out, that if we were to kill everyone who voted for a town kill by mistake…well, this game would be over, yes?
And the upside of this ridiculous plan? Why, BM is “accountable” for his choice. Oh, hoo rah. Wasn’t the entire point of the deal that we let BM live IN ORDER TO be able to call the shots on who he kills??
And Suburban Plankton proposes we give up our control, in exchange for nothing more killing BM the first time he guesses wrong? Hell, why not kill BM right off? Save ourself the townie that would be his ‘mistake.’
Does ANYBODY gain by this plan? Why, yes. The MAFIA, since the number of scum potentially killed each cycle goes from 3 to 1.
VOTE SUBURBAN PLANKTON.
But if the town votes, we get to SEE the decision-making process, and the Mafia can only run this strategy so long before it becomes apparent who is directing the votes toward townies. If Blaster Master picks his own victims, we don’t learn anything about how that decision was made except what he chooses to tell us. If we’re agreed that all information about who voted for whom and why is valuable, the town should continue to vote on the vig kill.
I was so struck by the scumminess of Suburban Plankton’s post that I had to reply right away. I see now that Lakai make the same points before I did – sorry for the duplication and stepping on your toes.
(If it makes you feel any better, you’ve just moved onto my ‘probably trustworthy’ list.)
Yeah, I do remember it. He said it on post #739…35 posts after you said that. Wanna talk about context, I’d say you should try backchecking yourself first.
Yeah, it was referring to the werewolf thread, but it also referred to the forbidden werewolf thread wherein chrisk first came upon, and shot down, the plan he himself proposed not much later on. I only found it strange that you’d claimed to have followed the first game incredibly closely, but hadn’t read the companion thread. I followed the game pretty casually and still read the forbidden thread. [Inference Starts Here] Denying that you’d read that thread could give you plausible deniability that you’d heard of chrisk’s plan, should it not turn out as well as he’d hoped. Because you had heard of it…when he brought up the idea in the mafia thread. [End Inference]
Vote MonkeyMensch
I disagree 100% with Suburban Plankton’s assessment of how to handle Blaster. Treating it like a second lynch (with votes, IOW) is the only way to minimize the inherent problems with a vig.
I do agree to let a Mason suggest targets, although that can wait until we’re nearly ready to lynch someone. Either Zuma or Pleonast is fine with me. And I’m fine with having a single target for Blaster, or a pair of conditional targets based on the alignment of the lynchee. I think having both options open could be useful.
Also, upon reflection, vote Suburban Plankton. Primarily because your playstyle seems to have changed dramatically from the first game. Before, you posted frequently with quality analysis. Now, your posting has dropped off. I recall several posts from you promising content soon, but very little follow-through. And what analysis you’ve given seems wrongheaded.
I agree. That post from **Suburban Plankton ** is one of the most suspicious things I’ve seen in the entire thread and then Pygmy Rugger endorsing it. I would like to congratulate both of them for putting themselves at the top of my suspicion list.
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MALACANDRA**!
First and last warning to the whole group. Use the edit feature, you *will * get mod killed.
This was one. Next time ANYONE uses the edit feature they are out.
and after I posted a gender correction for you and everything. I am dissapointed.
Hmm, I don’t have a lot to add.
I am still suspicious of Aguecheek because of the spurious reasoning against sturmhauke, way back on day one.
I agree with the reasoning against pimaspinner by storyteller0910 in [post=8434473]post 1787[/post].
StarvingButStrong [post=8436004]makes a good case[/post] against Suburban Plankton (as does Fretful Porpentine in the next post).
Those are my top suspicions. No vote from me yet.
By the way, I think it’s obvious but want to state it explicitly anyway: Masons, we must not disclose how many of us there are until we’ve all been revealed and there is only one of us left. We need to keep the Mafia guessing how much we know. And prevent a Mafia from claiming Mason after we’re all dead.
A recap of the discussion and voting on the Vig kill on Day 2, because I feel it may be useful:
Blaster Master claims to be the Vig at post #1085 and suggests that the town should tell him whom to kill. He proposes a list of names of people he thinks are scum, in decreasing order of certainty: Gadarene, Queuing, Winston Smith, Aguecheek, brewha, ArizonaTeach, Pleonast, hocow, and Pygmy Rugger.
Rysto (1086) suggests that the town should vote every day on a Vig kill as well as a lynch. pimaspinner questions this proposal.
nesta (1166) posts an analysis of how this plan plays out if BM is the Vig, SK, Mafia, or town and proposes that the town should follow through on Rysto’s suggestion for now.
Queuing (1203) says that if he hangs, BM should take out someone from the “other side”, namely Pleonast or zuma. If it turns out they’re all town, they should go back to Rysto’s suggestion and lynch JSexton.
zuma proposes lynching Queuing and Vig-killing JSexton.
Gadarene agrees with Queuing – the town should kill Queuing or Gadarene, and then someon from the other “bloc,” zuma, storyteller, glee, or Pleonast.
Queuing (1239) proposes that we vote in dark orange for the Vig kill, and immediately votes zuma.
Pleonast makes his Mason claim.
Pygmy Rugger, Gadarene, and Malacandra vote to assassinate zuma.
Pleonast votes to assassinate Gadarene.
StarvingButStrong proposes a conditional: town lynches Queuing or Gadarene, BM kills the other if the lynched person was Mafia; if town, BM kills Pleonast. Gadarene wants to emend this to “Pleonast or zuma,” but otherwise agrees to go along with it. Pygmy Rugger votes for this plan. nesta likes the plan but thinks zuma would be a better target than Pleonast (does not cast a dark orange vote). Gadarene votes yes for the plan.
WinstonSmith votes to assassinate MadTheSwine.
MonkeyMensch votes to assassinate Gadarene if Queuing is scum and zuma if he’s not.
ArizonaTeach votes to assassinate zuma.
storyteller0109 and FlyingCowofDoom vote to assassinate Gadarene if Queuing is scum and zuma if not.
pimaspinner votes to assassinate zuma. There is a great deal of argument about whether there should be conditionals or not; see p. 28 for the gory details.
zuma claims Mason. Pleonast confirms the claim.
JSexton says that a good place to look for an alternative target for BM would be among those calling for zuma’s head.
[More to come…]
The same can be said for sturmhauke can’t it?
I’ve reread the exchange three times, and I don’t see how you infer that I was endorsing his plan. In fact, I was pointing out several flaws.
How’s “Because I was irritated enough to post a reply before I saw you’d stepped in, and then figured it was inappropriate after I’d seen your reply?” as an excuse? You must be short on things to be disappointed about, dude.
Huh boy. Better toe the line, 'cos we’re losing enough town by our own efforts, the scum and even the vig. :rolleyes:
Good catch, Aguecheek!
I will now request that MonkeyMensch explain himself.
Couldn’t the same be said of townies, though?
Reading down the thread as I type this, I see that MadTheSwine is trying to detract attention from Suburban Plankton’s accusation, and place it on sturmhawke. That seems a bit scummy to me.