pimaspinner, I’m curious. After storyteller0910 accuses you of being scum in a lengthy analysis, **rysto ** defends you. Your response? Vote rysto with no addressing of **storyteller0910’s ** points. I don’t see your chain of reasoning here.
Because it’s good strategy for a Mafia member to say that another Mafia member “could” be scum, as long as the second member is not in immediate danger of lynching. Publicly voicing suspicion is an excellent way to distance themselves from each other, no?
I think you both fed Blaster Master the lines he needed to make sure the town voted to kill an innocent townie – you by inviting him to choose his target, kivvik by putting Winston Smith’s name forward. That said, I’m not absolutely sure you’re BOTH working with him.
No. I don’t believe Blaster Master is the Vig at all. I think he is Mafia and claimed to be the Vig when the pressure was on him. The real Vig believes BM to be the Serial Killer, but sees no reason to make a public counterclaim. (Why would he, when BM is constrained to do the town’s bidding and the Vig would likely become the Mafia’s target if he outed himself?)
I believe that the Mafia killed Winston Smith last night, after persuading the town to think it was their choice; the real Vig tried to kill Blaster Master and was blocked by the Doctor; and the Serial Killer killed nesta.
Could I be wrong? Yup. Perhaps BM is exactly who he says he is, and was genuinely persuaded of Winston Smith’s guilt. Regardless, BM has an absolutely terrible track record of guessing who’s guilty and who’s not; two of his top three choices on his scum list have been revealed as townies, and another person on his list (Pleonast) is almost certainly a townie too. I imagine the Mafia was thrilled when he posted that list, and more than happy to steer the voting toward the “safe” targets of Gadarene and Winston Smith. That’s why I’m proposing that we ask Blaster Master to kill one of the people whom I believe influenced those votes – if he’s really the Vig, we get a fair shot at bagging a Mafia member, and if he’s Mafia, the Mafia will have to either kill one of their own or blow BM’s cover.
Just checking in to state that I’m still here, and my vote currently still stands (Cheers, MonkeyMensch, that was classy. Yer a real mensch!).
I probably won’t be able to read this through until late tonight or tomorrow morning.
I completely missed that. Unvote Rysto.
And as far as storyteller’s analysis of me, I addressed most of it in this post.
Crap, my link didn’t work. Try again. Incidently, it’s the same post you thought I didn’t address **storyteller ** in, and I thought I did. If anyone else has any questions, I’ll try to oblidge, but I seem to have a track record now of not being able to make myself very clear. 
I don’t really have the time or resources to commit to this game that it seems to require.
I know I’m not Mafia, and the Mafia know I’m not Mafia.
Auto, I don’t know what I am going to do about you yet. Your edit and apology came withing a minute of your actual post, and I DO believe that your edit was just fixing the coding. But rules are rules, and you knew the rules. I need to think about this some more. You may wake up tomorrow dead.
4- JSexto - (FCoD, Suburban Plankton, Rysto, sturmhauke)
2- MonkeyMensch - (Aguecheek, hocow)
2- pimaspinner - (Lakai, Storyteller0910)
2- Suburban Plankton - (StarvingButStrong, JSexton)
1- Fern Forest - (brewha)
1- kivvik - (Fretful Porpentine)
1- MadTheSwine - (Autolycus)
BTW the day will end at 5pm PST Monday
Maybe you did understand it correctly. IMO the SK should not be killed tonight. I explained why here . Do you disagree with that?
Our only goal today and tonight should be 2 mafia scum.
Exactly.
There have been several posts that start out saying they agree …and then somehow twist around to calling for the death of SK or Vig or whatever.
Given how far behind the town is – what is it, 8 dead town, 1 dead scum? – it seems so obvious to me that trying to catch up is of primary importance that I just don’t see how a townie can not see that.
At present there are votes against seven people, and I think they are mostly ones who WEREN’T being targeted Day Two. Do you suppose that we are actually sticking pins into multiple scum, and that’s why were seeing the ‘kill the sk/vig’ posts? Yesterday’s targets seem to have been mainly wrong, so the scum could smile as we got two kills in. If, oh, 5 of the 7 targeted so far are in fact scum, they might be feeling a bit of panic, yes?
The problems with not getting the SK early are:
-we have to be sure that we’ve nailed 2 scum every day. Our track record argues against this
-the vote for the Vig kill doesn’t have the benefit of the information of the outcome of the lynch kill
-with the SK in play, we have only one Doctor but 2 Townies potentially being targeted each night. With the SK dead, the Doctor can focus on stopping the Mafia
-In Day 2, voting for the Vig kill was an absolute mess. Confusion benefits the Mafia, who can more easily manipulate the voting when no one’s quite sure what’s going on
-a short game benefits the Mafia a lot more than the Town. They have way more information than we do, and we can only make up that difference through the information we gain through lynches.
I do disagree…the SK,as well as VIG are hurting us.If they are both neutralized then we are on a kill for kill basis against the mafia.Since we outnumber the mafia by quite a bit this can only help us. I cant see having a possible three town die every night.
If the day opens and their are 5 mafia, 5 town and a SK I believe that rather then letter a town member swing and lose the game for them a single mafia member will come forward as a sacrifice to prevent the loss and allow the mob more time to find the SK and a chance at a win for the mafia team. The actual numbers will be different but the mafia will know when they are about to take a majority and so can prevent it until they are ready. We the town have no such luxury, only when the last mobster is dead will we find out that we lost if the SK is still alive. Our ignorance is the SK’s only hope.
I’m actually going to use the math that got me my first serious vote. The numbers may be slightly changed because I’ve included the SK in the scum count.
I do think **Menocchio **is safe as the crumb. I feel quite confortable calling Rysto town. Therefore out of these 5 players (hocow, Kat, MadTheSwine, Sturmhauke, Suburban Plankton) the most likely scum percentage is 57%. In otherwords 2 or 3 of those are probably scum.
While I was originally satisfied with Sturmhauke’s responses to the accusations against him on the first day they weren’t nearly as good as Gadarene’s and I’ve soured on it since then. From reading chrisk’s posts from the werwolf’s forbidden thread over into this one I felt he stayed on the same course strongly indicating to me that he had no special role. So I think Sturmhauke may be going after JSexton because he sees a chink in his armor and hopes to bring down a town member who others may have also thought had acted suspiciously making the defence when he turns up town easier.
I vote Sturmhauke.
Hi y’all.
This thread is just so much more readable it’s actually fun to pore over for clues and tells.
I’m going to peruse more tonight but for now, in no particular order, it’s:
Queuing, for his de-emphasis of the importance of an SK kill. I read his reasoning and it sort of hangs together, but I just disagree with the conclusion. At least Blaster Master is acting with our advice in the open and with some discussion. The fewer deaths the better the sooner. Kills from the SK are wild cards and are biased aginst us just on probability, if not from the SK’s motives.
Smitty: That low post count is starting to get to me. I’d like to hear from you. Whatcha been up to?
JSexton: He has the suspicion of Blaster Master being the SK. If you no longer hold this theory by all means tell me. But it seems like the real Vig would’ve killed him during the test night, barring a Doctor’s umbrella. At any rate, I like your posts and if you have a new summation coming anytime soon I look forward to it.
The trouble, for me, is that I have a real hard time getting my suspicion levels up to anything over about 40%. There are others who willing to bet their game lives on other’s identities and such, but unless I’m missing something I dont’ see where this confidence is coming from.
Vote Queuing
Wow, the SK must be having a field day watching me take the flak for him/her.
Guys, I am not the SK, and the whole reasoning behind the acusations seem to be that Blaster Master said so. At least he gave his own thoughts about why he believes me to be scum. Can I ask the same of the rest of you so that I may explain myself, if needed?
This is exactly my line of thought. I think it would be better if we only had to worry about one townie being killed every night as opposed to potentially three.
Auto pointed out that the SK doesn’t have to kill at night, so blocking who the town believes to be the SK wouldn’t prove a damn thing. Block me all you want, the real SK can just choose not to kill. Then, I would be dead, you guys would see that you’re wrong, and then you’d have to fish out the actual SK. I don’t even know who else to implicate for that role besides Blaster, for reasons I have already stated.
Great, now I’s got the town god angry at me too. I’m sorry. Save me Jebus 
I agree that the SK needs to be taken out, but that as a priority, it can wait for now. However, I don’t have a problem with suggesting to Blaster Master who he should kill during the night. Today we do need to be concentrating on who we think is scum and should be lynched for it.
glee, to answer your question about why I have my suspicions about you. You didn’t ping my radar until you wanted to lynch chrisk/Jsexton. You said “we should get something interesting.” In post #890, I pointed out that it would be hard to get anything interesting because **Jsexton ** had not posted anything yet, and I didn’t feel we would benefit from anything **chrisk ** had said. (**glee’s ** original post quoted in mine).
In post # 1078 I said to look at the people who had single votes against them at the time and see who was voting for them. You were one of those voters. I expected at least two of them to jump ship when the saw which way the wind was going to blow, which you did, and I pointed out in post #1216.
vote glee
Hang on. When did you intend to do this? When you first FOS’ed pimaspinner in this post?
Bah. I feel guilty for using up what seems to have been the one permitted fuck-up. Sorry Auto.