Westworld - premieres Sunday (show spoilers as airs)

Dammit! Beat me to it.

Yup, very close: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Lbp6jcf2XNg/Vg5746u1n2I/AAAAAAAAR8c/wqILk0IEJ70/s1600/Magic-Anthony-Hopkins-1978.JPG

Dolores is dressed in her Barnard encounters, but was naked at the very first of the series.

I have kinda assumed the naked/clothed thing with the hosts in the lab is kinda symbolism for control. The humans are totally in control of the naked androids. As Deloris is starting to gain sentience/control she now begins to appear in the lab clothed.

Or I am reading way too much into it. :)

See post 272.

I think it’s a purposely dehumanizing thing, so that the staff don’t think of them as human and just thinks of them as machines, like Anthony Hopkins chided the one worker for. I’m guessing it’s required for hosts, but Dolores isn’t visiting Bernard in an official capacity.

It looked to me like they got the rights to some old footage of Hopkins - possibly from the movie you mention - and CGI-ed his young face into new footage. I’m sure that’s how they did it.

Ah. Thanks. I’ve never been good with character names. Much less spelling them correctly. I’m not really a nitpicker, but I can see how it might drive some people crazy.

I always watch shows with subtitles (not because I’m hard of hearing, but because I hate rewinding when people mumble or my audio is too low) so unless it’s one of those shows with really dodgy subs I tend to know all the official name spellings. It’s really handy on like sci-fi shows with people with really strange names.

E: Also, sometimes you get free cliffhanger resolution because they’ll capitalize something that’s ambiguously a proper noun or generic word/object.

An obvious fankwank for the naked/clothed thing for hosts is that sometimes they need to take the clothing away for washing/repair and sometimes they don’t.

It’s very most obviously for fanwanking.

I started watching late and have just caught up and tried to read most of the thread but hey, there’s a lot here!

I am seeing this to no small degree as a twist on the basic Matrix premise with the AIs in the place of humans, realizing that their reality is a fiction that exists for the sake of others. The Alice references being so similar really cinches it but of course now it is Dolores who is being asked to make a choice, and not down the rabbit hole but through the looking glass.

The key moment so far for me was when Dolores slapped the fly … after it having been made clear about how they couldn’t hurt a fly.

Man In Black is not Arnold as the staff is aware of him. Not sure though that Ford completely told the truth about Arnold.

Why did the daughter in the town know about the maze to be able to tell Man In Black about it and that it was not for him? I do not think the maze is merely some secret office or control room.

Dolores has now gotten outside her storyline, and not only because she fired a gun and killed another host … she is as much of the stray now as the wood chopper, and as adrift.

Clearly either Arnold or the Man In Black (or other) has some reason to have Orion be a memory in the woodcutter. Any guesses?

Anyone recognise the tune on the player piano? I felt like I should have got it but I drew a blank.

In care work nudity of a client is frowned upon. A patient or client is meant to have dignity at all times. I don’t know if the script-writers are highlighting this lack of dignity towards the robots in these nude scenes but it’s what immediately sprang to my mind when viewing that scene and listening to Ford; the lack of respect shown towards hosts compared to respect given to even the poorest of humans.

That was a fun episode raising even more interesting questions. It appears that Ford, who appeared like this quaint older gentleman who seemed as if he was likely to be pushed out by the board actually is in far more control and far more manipulative than we were aware. The scene with the woman at the table was chilling.

Also it was interesting to seeing the reference to the Man in Black’s real life job (and then how pissed he gets at those guests and tells them he’s on fucking vacation as they try to thank him for saving the guy’s sister’s life). Seems like MIB plays black hat because he’s a total white hat in real life. That break out of the jail was pretty cool though (the request for blowing up the cigars having to be approved at HQ was a cool touch).

Also it appears that William’s asshole future brother in law has some business ties (or at least his family does) to the park as well. I wonder if he’s the board member that Ford spoke about?

So what was Ford doing with that giant earthmoving equipment? What is he trying to dig up?

…the refreshing thing for me with Westworld is that we are four episodes in and we have had a real world death count of zero. And I watched Westworld after having watched that “other” programme last night: and I really needed this. :slight_smile:

…my understanding was that he was clearing the way for his new “narrative.”

But what in his narrative requires a giant hole in the ground? Unless he’s digging for that maze?

BTW, the characters repeatedly refer to a host called Wyatt. Have we met him yet? And have we seen anything to contradict the idea that William is the Man in Black? (The speculation required that the scenes with William and Logan took place several decades before the scenes with the Man in Black.)

…I would imagine the process is akin to “terraforming.” The new narrative is BIG. He’s tearing up the land and shaping it to fit the new storyline. I can’t find the exact quote, but he said he doesn’t have any “attachments to the past”, or something similar. So the hotel, the restaurant, the fields where the workers are working, are going to get shredded up in order to form “new lands” for the new story.

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A “conversation” between Ford and Teddy, when the former was running a diagnostic on the latter, revealed that Teddy never even got an actual backstory. Instead, Ford gave him a “formless guilt” with no root cause that could, therefore, never be assuaged – poor Teddy would forever feel the need to atone but actually had never been programmed to have anything to atone for. On “The Stray,” Ford finally invented that backstory for Teddy – a foe named Wyatt, who had been a sergeant and Teddy’s superior during his time in the army, before Wyatt went mad.

We’ve yet to see Wyatt in person in the present, but in Teddy’s flashback he appeared to be a violent megalomaniac, who slaughtered a bunch of innocent people and believed that their world was his for the taking.
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Some have argued that is has: but unless William meets either the Man in Black or anyone from the “present”, then as far as I’m concerned it is still in play. :slight_smile:

Seems to have been A Forest by the Cure. Which is actually what I thought, but I then dismissed it because the part they quoted was a simple chord progression, and there’s a more distinctive part that would have been a better choice.