Could be, or it could be a different place, or an earlier arrivals platform that was made obsolete by the new one at which William and Logan arrived.
The platform that William and Logan arrived on had a train platform with trains/tracks on both sides of an escalator running parallel to the train tracks. The storage area with the escalator had an escalator up from the platform (at an off-axis angle) and another one down through the floor, and a large wire globe with “Delos” spelled out around it. None of this was anywhere to be seen in William and Logan’s arrival.
Speaking of their arrival
- the older logo (we see in the clearly “past” scene with the young Ford in the lab when they’re building the early hosts) - noted above by Elendil’s Heir
- Maeve - When Logan and Teddy arrive, Clementine is out front of the saloon trying to pull in guests. We’ve had previously seen this to be Maeve’s job. When Maeve is recalled (which, if the theory holds up is in the later time period), the security guy says to have Clementine do her job because she used to do it before. During the William/Logan scenes in the town, we never see Maeve and Clementine seems to be in charge. I think the order of the scenes leaves it a touch ambiguous as to whether that’s because Maeve was recalled at that time, but it also could be because it’s back when Clementine was in that role.
Yeah, I don’t know what to make of that guy…unless they just joke around like that a lot, there are a lot of little allusions to him being a host. Particularly when he’s talking to Elsie about weapons privileges and she says things like “but they allow you to have one” or “they let you do that?” When she asked him if he’s Galli-fuckin’-leo when he recognized Orion, he said “maybe it’s part of my backstory.” They’re probably just joking with each other, but… It was pretty clear they have some hosts outside of the “game” part of the park, and that those are fairly self-aware of their artificiality. I’m thinking of the welcome hosts that do the introductions in the room at the beginning. It might make sense in some ways to have the security guy also be a special kind of android.
Alright, I’m now at 85% sure that the William storyline is happening at a different time, but I’m not convinced he’s the MIB yet.
But Dolores is said to be the oldest host in the park, so she could be in the “30 year ago William/Logan” scenes and still be around for the “modern day security guy” scenes. But then Lawrence is also in the William/Logan scenes and the MIB scenes, maybe Dolores is still just a little older than Lawrence?
I’m referring to the scene where they specifically mention Dolores being off loop, followed by another host trying to take her back home until William intervened. That seems to be the only thing tying William to a non-host character we know to be in the present. So either
A) William’s not in the past
B) The security guy is a host
C) The scene was a misdirect and not actually referring to Dolores being with William.
Ah, I see. Good point.
I would assume that what we’ve seen so far indicates that the lab techs are robots. We’ve already seen workers (non “hosts”) in the fields who are robots; the job of a lab tech, repairing hosts, is fairly repetitive. It’s surely more cost-effective to give that job to robots than to humans. No pension plan!
It’s perfectly possible to blackmail the type of robots we see in this show (who plainly have a certain amount of reasoning ability and volition). So that plot development wouldn’t preclude the tech from being a robot.
Surely it’s an obvious interpretation that the scene at the end of the latest episode in which Maeve wakes up on her own and addresses the tech, means that the “virus” currently in Maeve is designed like biological viruses are–to make their hosts (ha!) behave in such a way that the virus will be spread to new hosts. Maeve repeatedly gets injured as a part of the way the virus is designed; at some point, the virus-designer knew, she’d be alone with a tech-robot, as we saw in the scene. When the conditions are right, she is awakened and then can pass along the virus by uttering the special sequence of words (‘violent delights…’).
I’ll have to review but I’m sure you’re right and I’m mistaken.
Ahahaaha.
God I couldn’t have done that if I tried.
A friend I was watching with thought the same thing, but the preview showed Hector. Hector and Logan have similar builds and facial hair, I can understand getting them confused in the quick shot in the preview.
Because of those two facts I’m betting that Ford killed Arnold and made it look like a suicide. And possibly that Arnold had already copied his own consciousness and then Ford used that to make Bernard.
Ooo, I like it! Ford could’ve been rather maliciously toying with Bernard when he told him about Arnold, if that’s true.
…a side by side screenshot is here:
I’ve just watched the two scenes again. I think the sets were re-dressed between scenes (obviously to save costs), but its that sort of thing that gives “conspiracy theorists” like me life! 
She’s not blackmailing the tech because he offended her sense of morality. She’s doing it so she can get access to the host before they destroy it.
I’m sure they aren’t. Otherwise they wouldn’t be going “off script” doing things like banging offline hosts, dabbling in programming birds or engaging in petty bickering. They wouldn’t need personalities to perform mindless maintenance.
The only self-aware host “employee” was the girl who processed William.
The whole point of the show is that the hosts are only now reaching a level of self-awareness that they can begin to show some level of self-determination. There have been some “fake-outs” like the boy who met Ford or Teddy, but in the end, all the hosts act a bit “off” compared to the guests. It wouldn’t make sense at this point to have hosts so integrated with the staff that we don’t know they are hosts.
Also, there’s no “30 year time difference”. We’ve seen flashbacks of “young Ford” from 30 years ago. Old Ford and MiB have interacted. Also MiB told Teddy how the hosts used to be mechanical, not bioengineered. I’m pretty sure Recently Self Aware Delores is taking place in the present. William and Prince Caspian obviously work at a corporation that has strong financial interests in Westworld/Delos and they aren’t speaking as if it’s some new startup.
The producers specifically mentioned several nods to the 1970s Michael Crichton film.
The show is interesting enough without creating stupid M Night Shamalan twists.
Those two places do not look anything at all alike. The actual set is an old mall. Maybe the “new” stair/escalator set is somewhere else in the same mall, but the one we see in the cold storage area is clearly a completely different place, more than just re-dressed. In the new one the stair construction is wide enough for two double-wide staircases on either side of two escalators (up and down). The old area is just two sets of stairs (or an up and down escalator) and the angle at which it approaches the landing(s), at the top especially, where you see that 30-degree or so angle that the top floor breaks just to the right of the stairs…the new one is completely straight perpendicular to the stairways at the top. I just don’t see it, these two places literally have nothing in common but that there’s a stairway in both, and even then they’re sooooo different from each other.
The mall: http://blogs.dailybreeze.com/history/files/import/46905-hawthorneinsideempty.jpg
Another: Abandoned Mall in Hawthorne, CA. - Imgur
Regardless of whether the dual timeline theory is true, you have to agree they’re building to some sort of twist. There’s no point in not revealing the MIB’s name unless it’s going to be a surprise.
Fair enough. I just hope the show doesn’t become another “JJ Abrams mystery box” full of all sorts of random shit hinting at twists and hidden plots, most of which end up as red herrings.
I mean we already have the following mysteries:
Ford’s secret “Wyatt” storyline
Deloris’s voyage of self-discovery
Bernard’s work with Deloris
The MiB’s background and motivations
Meave’s voyage of self-discovery
The whole “Andrew” storyline
What’s actually going on with Corporate
How the Hat Step Brothers fit in with Corporate
Why did someone put a laser sat link in a host?
Why are the hosts malfunctioning / becoming self-aware?
What is The Maze?
What’s the Real World like?
Where is Westworld?
And just all the general backstory stuff with all the characters who we’ve been introduced to.
Sure some of these might have simple, mundane answers. But there is a lot of stuff to cover.
That we know of.
I suspect you’re right. I still wonder if Dolores’s as-yet-unseen mom, murdered/raped nightly at the Abernathy farmhouse, is going to be significant.
I’m not sure it was firmly established that the woman who greeted William is human or not. She was rather coy on that point.
Of course, the entire series is rather coy on a lot of points, so no matter.
I saw where she has married and divorced Elon Musk twice. So she’s got that going for her.
Crazy idea; Dolores is her own mother. In other words, she was the wife of the farmer in an earlier narrative before being raped and murdered.