Westworld S2 (show spoilers as it airs)

…Mulva?

You’re in the right ballpark; the name comes from from the Spanish Maria de los Dolores, literally “Mary of the Sorrows,” from plural of dolor, from Latin dolor “pain, sorrow.”

Incidentally, “Maeve” means “intoxicating” or “she who intoxicates”, and is associated with Queen Mab of Irish and English legend (or “Medb” or dozens of other weird Irish spellings).

Fun fact: the diminutive form of “Dolores” is “Lola” (or “Lolita”). :eek:

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You remember that Maeve is a computer, right?

As a fan of Jonathan Nolan’s previous rough AI show, Person of Interest, I’m constantly looking for parallels between the two series. As things stand, it seems as though Maeve is developing into the Machine, and Dolores, into Samaritan.

Note to self: When building virtual army of potentially homicidal robots that might individually achieve self-awareness…don’t give them Bluetooth!

Come to think of it, that’d be an easy way to tell the hosts from humans - give the hosts blue teeth.

And their memories of their past stories have that element of their current iterations. Maeve may not have empathy now, but did when she was living with a daughter. Dolores was Wyatt in a previous program. It’s like they believe their past memories are more true and less programmed than their most recent stories before awakening.

D’oh. I knew that. “Dolor” is part of the classic definition of inflammation: calor, dolor, rubor, and tumor: Heat, pain, redness, and swelling.

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Another thought about Maeve’s ability to wi-fi command other hosts and the reasonable presumption I have that the ability for hosts to be wi-fi controlled outside of the Delos accessible mesh network would have been put in by Ford …

Maeve, at least allegedly, was scripted by Ford to go outside of the park into the real world, thinking it was of her own volition, and, we believe, out of free will went off script to on her quest for her “daughter.”

And, we believe, Delos, has been replacing very rich and powerful people with hosts that they can control. (Perhaps the software to implement that control is the IP that was in Abernathy and possibly is now in Bernard?)

Did perhaps Ford plan to have Maeve be in place to give commands to those hosts, over-riding the Delos control with whatever Ford had in mind? Her being in the park when it happened not part of his script?

Yes, but when the techs use the magic Ipads to do their bidding they’re physically plugging the thing into the host to change their core programming (not counting “cease all motor functions”). Meave is using the mesh network to change a host’s core programming which just seems like cheating to me.

It would be like your desktop using the internet to tell your other desktop to change the language on Microsoft Word to Mandarin. I guess I’m perfectly ready and expecting someone to respond and say “but you can totally do that”, but it’s too much magic to me for it to be believable.

The tablets used to reprogram the hosts are wireless.

Here’s Ford giving Teddy a backstory using a wireless tablet: https://youtu.be/rxR_WVyjly8
Here’s Felix showing Maeve what she’s thinking on a wireless tablet: https://youtu.be/qVdlnH81ON0
Here’s Maeve taking a tour of the facilities. Note the wireless tablet that Felix is using as well as all the other wireless tablets: https://youtu.be/fqDKk55MsJQ
Here’s Dolores asking a hapless mook to reprogram Teddy using a wireless tablet: https://youtu.be/951vZfKF1s0?t=2m58s

Maeve is using the same wireless network used to reprogram the hosts. She’s just discovered that she can broadcast as well as receive.

IIRC Bernard, Elsie, et al. only used the direct USB interface when the network was glitchy, otherwise it was indeed all wireless.

About Dolores, she may not yet have discovered Wi-Fi Jedi mind tricks, but she was competent enough to shanghai straight off at least one technician with a control tablet. We have seen her re-program Teddy; it doesn’t entirely make sense that she would waste resources by having hosts damaged/shot rather than wiped and reprogrammed, but then again we have not yet been told what her endgame is at the Mesa, so maybe it doesn’t require that much cannon fodder.

So did anyone else see that it looks like Dolores and Teddy are staying at the Grand Central Hotel from Deadwood?

And remember that the hosts’ programming can be accessed through speech. To the extent that humans need to use laptops to do anything more complex than commands like “cease all motor functions” and resort to using tablet computers might not be a limitation of the speech interface but rather the limitations of a human being to speak in complex computer code, a limitation that wouldn’t apply to a robot/android/computer itself.

I am struggling with Dolores this season. Her character shift this season is really at odds with her character last season. She was like Teddy. Which is to say, very much the moral good in the show, in stark contract to the humans, who by and large were not. Maeve was more morally ambiguous. I think Dolores this season has become everything she hated last season. She appears to hold true affection for no one, although she professes it, with the possible exception of her father. The shift makes her less sympathetic, which I believe is intentional, but it is also implausible and seems forced. She could have been the same leader, making the same decisions, but with her old compassion and empathy. To me, that would have been a more interesting story and a more believable one. Dolores becomes more robotic by the day, and less human.

Maeve, on the other hand, does have a more believable evolutionary arc. She begins as a predatory, selfish creature, bound by her programming, and becomes someone who is capable of empathy and understanding others, outside of her programming. She is not yet capable of expanding that to all hosts, but that may be coming. She can be surprised by events, she is not omniscient, nor is she perfect. Oddly, despite her gifts, she is not mindlessly obeyed by all others. Consider the group that follows Dolores (prep the train, hold Teddy, etc - and its silent obedience) versus the group with Maeve (sometimes she’s a witch, sometimes she isn’t, and they all mouth off and argue).

The “Person of Interest” comparison is interesting, but I wish it felt like a natural progression instead of a forced one.

Dolores was the sweet victimized rancher’s daughter and also Wyatt the cold blooded murderer. This is the integration of both.

And they don’t integrate very well so Dolores comes off as insane (which arguably she is).

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Back to my speculation on Maeve and Ford’s possibly having put this ability into her …

What other reason would there have been to have her scripted to be out in general human society? (Which, presumptively, had been Ford’s intent, unless her turning back was also his intent.)

The last thing we saw on her programming template before she got off the train and headed back into WW was “Mainland Infiltration,” I think. She might’ve had a secondary assignment or capability as a spy all along.

Yes that was the last bit on her programming that we saw, which most of us assume was by Ford using Arnold’s login. What would she in an infiltrated position be able to spy on?

If she was indeed intended to infiltrate the mainland she had reason (not of her own) to be there. Could her broadcast command ability be part of that plan now diverged?

I’ve seen her name spelled Delores so many times I thought it was some kind of in-joke related to Delos. :wink:

I think she only has one concern. To get to the center of that maze. She’s not worried about relationship building. She doesn’t care about building an army. She wants the freedom that comes with getting to the center. That’s “home” and she knows getting there requires suffering and detachment.