There’s your problem - TNG crew seems to regularly show complete ignorance of anything that happened in TOS when such would be the perfect explanation for whatever problem they’re currently facing (but, to be fair, they also sometimes show complete ignorance of things that happened to themselves!)
Human Delos couldn’t tell, because he was dead.
So, do you guys think that William has finally figured out that there’s an actual AI rebellion going on, or does he still think the whole thing is a game Ford has cooked up for him?
But moments/days/years before the end, he had necessarily diverged from whatever model was made of him. That Delos still died.
The problem with William is that there’s an actual AI rebellion going on AND Ford is fucking with him via the hosts and it’s hard to tell the difference, particularly when lots of them are trying to kill him. If he’s come to the conclusion that Ford is trying to force him to come to terms with his past sins, then herding him into the cabin where he murdered Maeve and her daughter - an event which he’s already said had a profound effect on him - would be entirely consistent with that. Similarly, Ford creating a host version of his daughter is something Ford would do, even if he didn’t.
The real self vs matrix self thing reminds me of the Black Mirror episode “White Christmas” where people “wake up” in a virtual world with all their previous memories, having been copied. The real selves continue but the copies still feel like the real person, trapped in a hell not of their making.
Since Star Trek has been brought up: wasn’t there a Voyager episode that was basically the same plot? Replicas of the Voyager crew had been created along with replicas of the ship and all its contents, and they believed they were the real people (until they started dissolving.
Anyway, if the Westworld showrunners come up with some truly original plot, I’ll be pleased (and surprised). So far it all seems pretty derivative.
(I searched, and the Voyager episode was Course: Oblivion. Course: Oblivion - Wikipedia )
So if I understand correctly, the storyline “loops” are basically a more advanced version of that “fidelity” test that James was going through?
Ford knew about the secret project, but did the Delos people know that he knew? Do the Delos people all know that the project is actually a failure?
The jumpy young brunette programmer with Bernard seemed surprised to see the long-neglected test chamber with the fake James Delos in it, but she’s pretty far down the company’s totem pole and presumably wouldn’t have had any “need to know.”
Yes. It was pretty good. And if i recall the ending was pretty depressing given it was ST.
The more I think about it, the more this seems likely to be this season’s audience mindfuck. There’s no reason why there can’t be multiple Bernards wandering around.
And more importantly, did Ford know that Delos knew that Ford knew…
I’m actually quite looking forward to the Ghost Nation - Behind The [del]Music[/del]Murder episode coming up. I hope it’s entirely subtitled
I also hope Elsie’s OK.
Come to think of it, how much has post-beach Bernard actually said and done? Mostly he seems to have been standing around staring strangely at things, apart from claiming he flooded the valley and giving out some coordinates. What are the odds he’s a Trojan Bernard, wound up and left on the beach by Bernard-Prime/Ford as a trap for the Delos troops?
Could be - if they ever bother to listen to him.
I’m assuming Ford had to have planned for Bernard to be outed eventually. Otherwise why keep all those old copies poorly hidden?
Anybody think there’s a spare/backup cradle tucked away somewhere? Oh, not for all the hosts, but perhaps for a few select ones like Bernard?
It was a truly nihilistic ending; that episode is one of the two I remember best about the show.
Perhaps those dragging Bernard around should take a moment to listen for ticking.
Perhaps in the “valley beyond”?
Yes, I brought it up in the Dolores/Maeve thread. Seems only sensible to me.
What, like, say, going to a set of coordinates he gave them in the heart of Ghost Tribe country?
This 2nd season is starting to annoy me.
Maeve has a super power that works only when the writers want it to.
Dolores and crew walk calmly down a corridor, and shoot hardened mercs, possibly the worst tactics since SW ep 1. But instead of being gunned down in a blaze of auto fire from one merc in cover, it works. And why would the hosts be programmed to use fully auto guns?
Dolores seems to be doing this for the good of the hosts, but she has killed more hosts that any Guest ever did.
Why the FUCK is there real Nitro anyway?
And the magic guns are annoying, impossible and just plain stupid. Just have guns that shoot nothing but a powerful (thus painful) “blood” paintball, and have the hots have squibs. With untrained guests playing cowboy, there would be accidents all the time.