It doesn’t make a lick of sense, which somehow “proves” that he (a robot) has Free Will. Because a human would never have brought back Dolores. Not because it’s a simply horrible idea, but because of a lack of Free Will.
Supposedly.
(In actuality he brought back Dolores because otherwise there’s nothing much to do in Season Three, of course. We are just expected to attribute the sense-free nature of Bernard’s act to “deepness.”)
It’s debatable whether it was the right move, but in the show he justified it by not wanting to let Delos/Hale get away with murdering everyone in their way, snuffing out all conscious hosts, retrieving the IP, and taking over the world. He decided, at least in the heat of the moment, to unleash Dolores rather than go out with a whimper. It wasn’t completely senseless.
It is senseless if we’re to accept Bernard as ‘more humane than the humans,’ which I’d argue is what they showrunners are going for. (Because of course Dolores kills her own kind with abandon, as well as humans, which she will almost certainly attempt to exterminate.)
But I suppose the question of what the showrunners want us to think about Bernard is subject to interpretation.
You can get a hell of a lot out of it, actually, if you have a variety of characters with different personalities, different value systems, and different ideas about how to live their lives.
Yep. I want more of that and less of the “robots turn on the humans crap”. They could have left that to the end of S5.
I don’t know about the only one, but personally I’d find that pretty tedious. 120 Days of Sodom in the Old West? Sounds disgusting. A more delicate angsty exploration of the human soul as illuminated by wallowing in excess? Sounds pretentious as fuck :D.
Nah. I like this show okay :). Don’t love it - it is maybe B- grade HBO. But it has its moments.
I am talking stories, action, violence and sex- in that order.
I completely missed that she “saved Teddy”. Thanks.
Yes - quite interesting.
Agreed. But I understand why the showrunners went with the host uprising when they did - it was the centerpiece of the original movie, after all, and they didn’t know how many seasons they’d have to play with.
I thougth they went too far with the “we’ll make sure you never really figure out the ending by throwing everything into the last episode” route. Kind of annoying. In the “I’m not going to rewatch this to catch all the hints” way. A good mystery makes you want to do that.
I noticed that the size of the file containing the virtual paradise was given as 1.2 exabytes. That’s a lot of data; if one high-power laser can transmit, let’s say, 100 Tb/s, it would take over 33 hours to transfer the entire file. They said something about tasking multiple lasers/satellites, but if they had, say, 5, that’s still a 6-hour upload (just to the satellites; from there it still has to get to Dolores’s secret data center, but presumably that could be done at a more leisurely pace). Is that consistent with the timeline?
Why couldn’t that future uploader be faster?
I doubt you’re the only one, but I’m not with you. However, it should be noted that AI and the nature of consciousness is a pet subject of mine.
I like the show, even the second season, but there is absolutely nothing about the second season that could not have been told better in order. The messing about with timelines was a necessary part of the first season for several reasons, but completely pointless this time around.
The real climax of the story was everything that happened at the door. If it had been told in order all of that would’ve happened a few episodes ago.
A passing thought: if we accept that Dolores could load the spent slug into William’s gun, even if we also accept that it would somehow fit and not impede the firing of the other bullets, why would it explode in William’s hand? It wasn’t a live round firing into a blocked barrel; it was a spent round that shouldn’t have fired at all. The gun should have just gone ‘click’.
He had a LeMat revolver , large, bulky and clumsy, something no gunfighter would really carry. However, it had 9 shots plus a 20 gauge shotgun barrel. So, she could have taken that and plugged the shotgun barrel, which would have caused the lemat to explode… but also sending the slug into her forehead.
Of course the original LeMat was cap & ball, which his wasnt. But they did make pinfire and centerfire versions, neither of which were successful. They have made some modern copies.
http://www.wideopenspaces.com/you-can-get-a-lemat-revolver-without-going-broke-with-a-catch/
Great minds!
The writers were trying to mirror in the viewer Bernard’s confusion as to which timeline he was in. Anytime Bernard comes back, you’ll have to check to see if he’s wearing glasses, figure out who he’s talking to, remember what’s the context of the conversation. As he plaintively asked, “Is this now?” It’s telling, though, that the strongest episodes of the season – Akane no Mai, Kiksuya – didn’t have Bernard in them.
Perhaps the biggest revelation of the last episode is that Hale had been replaced by Dolores. I haven’t gone back to figure out which scenes have OG-Hale and which ones have Halores, but ultimately it probably doesn’t matter much.
Couple things i just thought of that i wonder if the showrunners have thought of:
Dolores should not be able to create a host. That info simply should not be inside her. Unless i guess Ford had her be his assistant in even those things.
Host Emily at the post-credit scene. Who made her??? All the human data was deleted. Which means the Emily William killed was a host (the showrunners said she was human) or someone recreated her from memory (William?)
Much has been written about explaining Westworld’s convoluted plot, and there has even been meta-commentary about the explainers themselves, and about whether it’s good or bad to have a TV show that may require a crib sheet to understand fully.
I do think the secondary texts (including this thread, although I came to it late compared to all the others for some reason) are enjoyable, and I doubt I’d like the show as much on its own. However, some of the points you and others have made about the gun exploding, how Teddy’s body got in the water, etc., demonstrate that this symbiotic relationship is a double-edged sword. If you are going to make a show that’s only comprehensible with secondary texts, including information from interviews with the showrunners (so much for “Death of the Author”!), fine. Great. But you’d better make damn sure that once it is examined that closely, every single bit of it is airtight, capable of holding up to maximum scrutiny. Otherwise, when I read the secondary sources, some things that initially puzzled me become clear, but other things I accepted in the moment become ludicrous in retrospect.