Maybe they could share the rainbow flag with gay pride.
Fuck yeah! Slavery now slavery tomorrow slavery forever! Fuck those pc bastards!
Nascar?
Dale’s Number 3.
Does it need to be a visual or tactile symbol? Because if not, then “Southern charm” or friendliness could be it. (Remember JFK’s description of DC: a city with Southern efficiency and Northern charm.) It’s regional, not associated with an ugly past, and common to white and black folk alike. It’s certainly something to be proud of.
So I can stomp a USA flag and it is just fine with you all, “P,” burn, make clothes, call for the destruction of the USA, fly any state flag no matter it’s history but this one flag needs to be banned, removed and all people from a certain geographic location are to be insulted, accused of wanting a return to holding slaves, wanting to hold slaves and you take pride in your definition of what it stands for, from a point outside that location & people plus knowing this flag does not in anyway cause a sociopath to kill people in a church. The gun did not cause it, the car does not cause one to drive drunk, etc but if it suits your desire to control other people, especially their freedom of expression, then it must be as you say.
IMO, it is the stupid ass accent that people from Massachusetts insist on retaining that caused the Boston Marathon bombings. Do we get a say in your choice of speech, your school system, your flagrantly incorrect depiction of the so called “Boston Tea Party” which is a direct attempt at changing your history … This attitude & pride in attacking your fellow countrymen is one of the major success’s of those that are destroying our country. Why are you so proud of your bigotry and of helping them?
“The tree is a Douglas-fir, which symbolizes endurance, defiance and resilience.” I thought the Douglas fir represented fast growth so you can clear-cut the tree farm more often.
And what’s this Cascadia shit? Some suggested borders include Northern California, but I thought Seattle-ites hated Californians more than anybody. And if you guys try to secede, well, remember Sherman. You have a sea to march to, too.
There should be no Southern pride, any more than there should be northern pride.
I think there are plenty of things about the American South that one could be proud of: food, music, literature, natural beauty, etc. The same kinds of things that any other region might be proud of with regard to their own local culture. But speaking as a Southerner myself I’ll say that while there are many fine things about the South, I do not feel it is necessary for the South to have a special flag or symbol to represent Southern pride. Other regions of the US manage without special flags, and given the particular history of the South we should if anything be more careful than other regions when it comes to jingoism.
What did I miss? Did someone from Boston just force the (In Birmingham they love the) Governor of Alabama to take down confederate flags?
Northern and Western Pride is captured in the term “flyover states”
I spotted a Revell model kit for “Dukes of Hazzard Car”.
No decoration on the roof.
If “Southerners” want a symbol:
Free Bird by Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Works so well on so many levels…
Uhhhh, no to your entire post. Burning the American flag is freedom of speech – the American flag also represents more than the Confederate flag does. Your bit about cars, guns and Boston accents is so far out in left field, it’s hard to know where to begin with that.
The Confederate flag is a symbol of hate, pure and simple. It reflects a time in our country’s history when certain people wanted freedom–the freedom to own other people. Many knew it was wrong then, just as it’s wrong now. But in order to keep the peace, a lot of people said as long as it’s kept in the South, then we’ll keep slavery. However, the slave owners weren’t content to keep their ideals of owning other human beings in their own part of the country – had it been so, it’s doubtful the south would’ve seceded–they wanted to expand the idea of slavery. That’s the main cause of the war.
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There’s some irony for you!
Most Seattlite’s contact with Californians is with Southern Californians. As a North Californian, I can say that North California and Seattle are pretty compatible.
…and as one fire fades, embers from another glow brightly in the wind… and some other generation will have to pay for us not putting out the embers of a foolish campfire lit by those who thought they were funny while they were drunk on their own pride.
I hope I’m wrong, because I love my country. But I’m not.
So I’ll be able to [del]move[/del] emigrate to Victoria as easily as to Seattle? Because I really like Victoria.
Yes and fuck no. The South has a shameful history of racism and oppression. It has a proud history of standing up to racism and fighting oppression. You make the same racist assumption that so many folks make: only the white folks in the South form its character. And then you make the less pernicious assumption that the South’s white population is monolithic. It’s possible that you’re just ignorant on this score, though, so I’ll cut you some slack :).
If we have to claim Lee and Forrest–and we do–then we also get to claim Tubman and King. And I’ve got some real fuckin southern pride in those two figures, the first being possibly the bad-assest commando in American history, the second being among the awesomest leaders of a movement in world history.
You like blues? Jazz? Rock and roll? You like biscuits? Pulled pork? You like all sorts of different sports? You like Twain and Poe (born in Virginia) and Faulkner and Williams and Hurston and countless other authors? You like the civil rights movement? Not to mention some of the most beautiful mountains and beaches on earth.
I ain’t saying we’re better than anywhere else (well, except Los Angeles. Man, fuck Los Angeles). But in addition to all the shameful horrors the South has experienced, there’s some goddamned wonderful stuff here.
We don’t need a symbol. Any Southerner who hangs her hopes on a flag is a fool. There’s too much other good stuff to go worrying about flags.
Well said.
I’ve lived in Alabama my entire life, and I agree with this 100%.
When I was a kid I had a Confederate flag on my wall and a Confederate flag tag on my go-cart (mostly because I liked The Dukes of Hazzard and thought it was looked cool.) Guess what? I grew up, got an education and learned what the flag really represented and how it was a symbol of oppression and racism. The flag is an embarrassment and I’m glad state governments are removing them.
The flag was taken down from the Alabama Capitol in 1993 after a court ruling that said Alabama law stated that only the national and state flag could be flown above the Capitol. The flag remained at a Conderate memorial, and this was the one removed today.
How about we tone down the “South bashing” a little bit? Lumping all Southerners together is no different than stereotyping any other group of people. There are all kinds of people in every region of the U.S. and it’s really not fair to make judgements on an entire group of people or a geographic area.
Are you aware that worldwide, there are far more heterosexual people living with AIDS than homosexual?
No, you probably aren’t aware. And would just ignore it anyway, because that fact doesn’t fit with your preconceptions.
Sound closer to what the “Rebel flag” is supposed to mean to me, then.