It’s mathematically impossible for Bernie to win with pledged delegates (May 3, 2016)
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I’m not refighting 2016, that’s been done enough. I will say that Bernie will be a lot less effective in 2020. It’s not a one on one race. And, quite frankly, I don’t think the winning nominee should even bother with die hard Bernie supporters. They can ask for the nominee to ‘win their vote’ until they’re blue in the face. Just ignore them. Nothing will make them vote for any other nominee.
It’s not noteworthy for many reasons.
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Yeah at this point she is just another talking head. She is playing pundit.
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What she said is not anything that many other talking heads have not also stated.
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My own take is the same as hers and that is also not at all noteworthy.
Did I wind up in a parallel universe or something? In my timeline, Sanders gave a ringing endorsement of Clinton in a major speech at the convention. I don’t get where these “Bernie was egotistical and got Trump elected by refusing to endorse Hillary” talking points are coming from.
Absolutely. Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa.
There was a point where his only theoretical chance was to win over the superdelegates, which everyone knew was not going to happen. He fought on like the knight in the Monty Python movie who had every limb lopped off.
In the end, she ran a poor campaign. She didn’t give voters a reason to vote for her. “I’m With Her” was a lousy slogan, it’s like “It’s all about ME ME ME ME ME ME”. It’s too egotistical, it’s “I’m the one who has all the answers”, instead of “I’m with you, we’ll work together to make positive change.”. Then why oh why did she not defend the blue wall (PA, MI, WI) rather than try to run the score up in AZ? She was warned that she was in trouble in the industrial midwest, she chose to ignore the warnings.
My take: this kind of thing from Hillary actually helps Bernie and continues to burnish his outsider credibility.
All of these (plus the Russians) were factors but ultimately the people responsible for Trump winning were the people that voted for Trump. It is not “Hillary’s fault” that Trump won - this whole “It’s the Democrats’ fault for not stopping Republicans from destroying the country” rhetoric is cartoon villain bullshit. She could have run a better campaign but in the end enough people in the right constituencies voted for the man who was literally in the middle of a fraud case during the campaign and who was openly calling for foreign powers to commit crimes to hobble his opponent. It’s those people who are at fault. Not Hillary, nor Bernie.
And while I’m at it, this sudden spate of “Let’s Hillary/Barack and Bernie fight” threads in the past day or so is frankly a little suspect.
Before the election, it was Her Turn. After, it is Not My Fault.
I suspect that he won’t be the nominee. And the devil will be wearing ice skates if he ever becomes President.
It might be interesting to see when and if Hillary endorses him if he does get the nom.
The idea that the five weeks between Sanders losing the primaries and endorsing Hillary hurt her all that much, or would have changed the outcome, is kind of silly, but people tell themselves what they want to believe. Donations to her foundation have been dropping steadily since she lost - maybe that is ticking her off too.
Hillary’s gonna Hillary - whaddya gonna do.
Regards,
Shodan
Yes, now we all know Hillary isn’t on team Sanders. The secret is out.
Sanders’s “I’m sick and tired of hearing about her damn emails” was a classy moment. He was never interested in attacking her over bullshit reasons.
As for the timing of his endorsement of her, how does that compare to the timing of her endorsement of Obama in 2008? Honest question.
It looks to me like a lot of folks want to marginalize leftists further, and this whole stupid attack on Sanders is as dumb as the leftists’ attacks on Wasserman-Schulz. THere’s definitely room for debate within the left on policy, but this sort of internecine squabbling is counterproductive.
Sanders eventually supported Clinton, but I don’t know if he tried hard enough to get his supporters to do the same.
Parallel, orthogonal, at some curved oblique angle, don’t know. Some saw his endorsement as weak sauce served late too late in the meal. Didn’t have good flavor and the servings so small! 
But again, why does anyone care that that one talking head private citizen agrees or disagrees with our individual views of what was, what is, and what should be going forward?
Okay, if you respect the talking head and have seen them as a source of wisdom in the past you maybe listen up and would consider if they said something other than what you had already thought. And if you disrespect that person then you listen in order to have a chance to get righteously pissed about them again. In this case those who respect her already thought that way, and those who disrespect already did not, and so? Yawn. A “smackdown” requires having some impact. This does not.
She’s not playing elder statesman, she’s just sharing what she honestly thinks in response to questions in conversation … that happen to be broadcast and that apparently some people still think matters. Funny that her detractors are the ones who imagine her as having power still.
Like lots of folks in high positions, she can be deluded by ego sometimes. I think this is one of those times.
What is she delusional about?
I’ve never understood this strange, inexplicable hatred of Hillary. Much of the time, she’s just saying things that are - well, factually correct. Maybe she’s abrasive about it, but so what? There are dozens of R’s and D’s who are more dislikable than her.
That Bernie bears any blame for her loss, or that he “hurt her” by not coming around to endorse her when she would have preferred.
I don’t think this is a big deal – I don’t think she’s any more delusional than most other politicians. She’s just a bit blinded by ego on this, and can’t get over the bitter feelings, IMO. It’s even understandable, considering that she lost to Trump. That must have been one of the most devastating experiences of her life.
Sad but true. I don’t think Kremlin is the only bugaboo, but in today’s America it is the liars and haters who set much of the agenda for public discussion.
:eek: Strange comment. She got more votes than Trump. Many of those who opposed her, did not oppose her ideas. They opposed her on “character” issues — largely derived from right-wing lies or half-truths. And some of the dislike derived directly from the fact that she is a woman.
Hillary Rodham was a strong good-spirited woman who became a political candidate late in life. Although she gave famous successful speeches, she may have “lacked the common touch.” It still took the help of Russia for the Lie Machine to defeat her.
We’ve gone round and round on the arguments and misconceptions in this thread. I’m posting only to compliment Mr. Velocity on getting it right. I’ve taken the liberty of changing the font size in his post.
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She did win the popular vote, Babale.
“Bernie Bears” … better than Bernie Bros anyway. And captures the thought that their bearishness on HRC had consequences.
That “delusion” is shared by a large chunk of Straight Dopers. DSeid just explicitly agreed with it entirely above. I find it funny that your analysis of Bernie’s effect on the election is so obviously right that Clinton must be delusional because of her ego.