Nope.
They’re not even necessarily rude inconsiderate twats when their children aren’t around.
To you perhaps. I bet they are to someone.
Having children does not make you rude, selfish and inconsiderate. Having children may make those traits more obvious to others though.
If you have those traits, chances are your kids will be little shits.
Hear, hear. I sometimes have to wonder how people manage to live such coddled lives that they’re astounded that fellow humans will talk in movie theaters, or answer cellphones in bookstores, or block sidewalks, or drive inconsiderately, or cut lines. Babies have squalled, dogs have shit in inappropriate places, cars have occupied 2 parking spaces. It seems to me that your choices are to shrug it off or get on the waiting list for a nice cave somewhere. Life is not a television show.
:dubious: You’re not from around here are you?
This thread is not in the Pit. This comment is out of line for IMHO. If posters feel the need to rip VC03 a new one, y’all know where the Pit is.
I’m in the “they were rude, inconsiderate assholes before they had kids, so they’re rude, inconsiderate assholes after they have kids, too” camp. Although some new parents, moms especially, do seem to go totally over the edge these days, over-protecting Junior to the point of insanity.
Oh, wait. No, that’s been happening for a long time. My dad was so overprotected by his mom and grandmother back in the late '20s/early '30s that he wasn’t allowed in water over his knees till he was 12 and went to Scout camp.
So there we have anecdotal evidence that some moms have always gone overboard. It may be more noticeable today because of the behemoths they wheel around known as strollers, that seem more like small houses on wheels to me. Why do people want such huge baby equipment? It’s hard enough traveling anywhere with a small child with all the toys, diaper bag, change of clothes, blankets, small stroller, etc.; why saddle yourselves with 50 lbs of equipment to go to the grocery store?
I agree that there’s a group of young moms with a sense of entitlement who act like jerks. But I can’t honestly come up with a simple explanation for it. Socioeconomic? Nah, moms with less money may have less equipment but they find other ways to be aggravating with their kids out in public. Exhaustion? I’ve known enough moms with small kids who were the soul of courtesy to know that exhaustion can be a factor but can also be used as an excuse, which is unfair to the polite exhausted moms. Obliviousness? That’s entirely possible; much as I rail against other people blocking the path, I’ve been known to park my grocery cart in the wrong place in the aisle, too, out of sheer obliviousness, and especially when your kids get to a grabby stage, you really do have to stay 100% focused on them no matter what else you’re doing. . Hormones? Actually, that’s really an insult to the vast majority of women, who are aware of and try to compensate for when their hormones go wacky. Sure, there’s a few who are at the mercy of their hormones; but the behavior of the vast majority of new moms is no more hormonal than everyone else’s behavior is.
The one thing I do know is that you can’t just lump all moms into a single group, and there’s not a single, simple explanation for what you’re seeing. I too think confirmation bias on your part, rather than any single cause of behavior on their part, is the best explanation.
It really irks me when people who don’t have children rail against mothers. There are some idiots among us, no doubt; I haven’t met more than a few, but there are certainly more.
What I don’t think some of you understand is what being a mother of small children entails.
I no longer: Shower more than 2x/wk, wear makeup, color my hair, buy much of anything for myself, watch TV of my choosing (it certainly wouldn’t include Elmo), go to the bathroom alone, talk on the phone without interruptions, go to friends’ houses or just out for fun unless advance arrangements have been made (and then it’s for a proscribed period of time).
My kids get 80% of me.
Before I can eat, I have to make sure they’ve been fed. Are they clean? Safe? Dressed appropriately? Entertained?
Before you bash on moms, get yourself a couple of puppies and attend to their every need, no fair using cages. It’s a journey like no other. I wouldn’t trade this job for anything, raising them is an unbelievable privilege; but this is Work. You guys who haven’t done it have absolutely no clue.
I’d finish this thought but my ds is pitching a fit.
I am too! I was sitting right here when I wrote that. Are you some kind of weird foreigner?
Well said fessie and Mama Tiger.
Not a rant, just a curious over generalisation.
My girlfriend and I have a two month old baby, she fits none of what was written in your thread. Her daughter has a four month old baby, she doesn’t fit any description in your post, neither does her son. And a friend of ours with a four month old son doesn’t either. So no, not generally recognised at all.
But when you post this;
And then this;
It seems to be less of a issue about mothers and their babies and more of an issue about your work/wage packet vs their husbands 
True, work for me has never been as stressful as having our little tyke on my shoulder bawling like mad not knowing if its her nappy or food or tiredness, no matter how ridiculous the cow-orker has been 
I used to be one of those people who moaned about how inconsiderate parents are, and their sense of entitlement. Then I had a kid. When you have a kid, you will remember nostalgically the time you rolled your eyes because a stroller was blocking your way on your morning trip to Starbuck’s for a latte and wish that life was that easy again.
If you had a dog somewhere you needed to bring a dog and it was barking or howling, of course I’d cut you some slack. So would anyone. What sort of nut case would complain about seeing eye dogs, or about dogs barking in a vet’s office, or about a dog running around in a dog park?
Actually pretty much all of us understand it from your perspective as we were childless at one time too. It is you who lack perspective. For many of us, having children is when we finally graduate to fully formed human beings. There become more important things in life than just our own comforts. We see a screaming child and feel empathy rather than anger.
Thanks, LHOD! I’ve always wanted a phrase to describe this phenomenon, and now I’ve got it. Yay! 
Let’s see… you talk about a typical yuppie mother and you decide to blame motherhood??? I think you can stop at yuppie and blame the inconsideration on that. While I’ve know some very nice self-described yuppies, I see many who don’t think of anything beyond their own convenience.
Beautiful.
Funny, I was going to say offensive. Funny world, I guess.
And I was going to say how sad that is, that for some people it takes having a child to make your life complete. It’s kind of like those people who think their high school years were the best of their life.
Thanks fessie
To Binarydrone, there is nothing offensive about it. I didn’t say everybody needs to have a kid to experience a larger range of human emotions. Personally I did because I happened to be pretty selfish before. I suspect there are others out there like me.
How is that sad yellowval? Everybody needs something to make their lives feel complete. Be it spouses, curling, children, degrees, jobs, Trans-Ams, their collection of Iron Maiden concert shirts …
I’d have granted you “offensive” if Balduran had said “should” anywhere in his/er post. But the word’s not stated, nor is it implied.
clearly allows that it’s not the only way of getting there.