I think there’s a domination angle in the money shot, too. I believe that in some way it reinforces the notion of a woman as a subservient sex object.
This is all going over your head, isn’t it? I’m not talking about premature ejaculation or sneaky orgasms. I’m telling you that they aren’t always precisely synchronized. The one can begin an instant before the other and no one is any more or less “prone” to that than anybody else. It’s not an individual quirk.
Yes it does. No guy can reliably anticipate that the swimmers will not come out before he begins to feel the onset of orgasm.
Equating the reliability of withdrawal to condoms is irresponsible and asinine. Tell kids to wear rubbers and not rely on pulling out, m’kay.
Cite?
I can’t be assed to look for a cite. I didn’t learn it from the internets. If you want to believe that ejacualtion and orgasm are the same thing or that you can always rely on them occurring in perfect syncronization, you go right ahead and use withdrawal as your go to method of birth control.
You’re arguing points I never made…Strawman down!
Well i didn’t learn this on the internet and I have no idea how to begin searching for a linkable cite about it.
Nooooooooo…1 out of 5 years of regular sex results in pregnancy with this method.
yeah, I recognize that I made a mistake. Still it’s not really an acceptable level of confidence, is it?
Well, for God’s sake, what IS a reasonable level of certainty.
It was a long time ago but when Lady Chance (then a new girlfriend) went on the pill for the first time (we were 19) we looked over the statistics and I sure figured a couple of percentage points was WAY too high! AGH!
Then again, eight years later when we decided kids were something we wanted and begin the whole 'shoot ‘em off and hope they hit a target’ thing it took six years of completely unprotected banging for the production of baby mark one.
Acceptable levels of confidence are entirely subjective. For someone who wouldn’t want kids I’d say almost nothing assigns an acceptable level because the stakes are so enormously high. One factor breaks wrong and you’re screwed for a LONG time. But everyone has to evaluate those factors for themselves.
If there is research available, as pointed out here by WhyNot and others that withdrawal has the same frequency of pregnancy as other methods I see little reason to differentiate between them.
Oh, and I can’t EVER recall not knowing when I’m, um, completing…if you get me. That includes some behavior in high school in which the only birth control she and I were pursuing was pulling out.
I never said you don’t know when you’re ejaculating. I said it can start happening before you orgasm.
Incidentally, I’ve got this um…friend…let’s call him “Bob.” Bob has made two babies using the withdrawal method. Bob wouldn’t recommend it for anybody.
Youngest kid is 4.5 years old. Withdrawal is used for only a few days per month when I’m highly fertile; it is very effective. Not very satisfying, but it is effective.
He’ll get snipped one of these days, sooner rather than later.
Looking at **Intelsoldier’**s post, I only have half a year left!
Where did I put my scissors?
Being poly myself, at least in theory, I applaud that, and the rest of what you said.
The worst about condoms is the ‘withdraw immediately after ejaculation’ to increase effectiveness. Embarrasing and messy to lose one inside her.
And hoorah for women adventurous enough to fuck on the rag.
That combination of semen and menstrual blood is what many alchemists called ‘The elixer of life’.
Not very apt.
FWIW, the rhythm method works for me, the rhythm of Tom Jones. 
SSG Schwartz
If your made-up non-statistics of the vast numbers of men who secretly ejaculate are going over my head, the contraceptive efficacy rates and comparative statistics as reported by Contraceptive Technology must be a fucking 747 to you, big guy.
See post #29, paragraph 2.
Tasty, though.
I think you really have difficulty with reading comprehension. Nothing I’ve posted resembles anything like what you think you’re seeing.
Don’t fault him too much; you seemed to suffer the same problem with my posts just a short ways up-thread.
My apologies to you.