The Mismeasure of Man by Stephen Jay Gould covers and rebuts the premises of scientific racism; I highly recommend it.
To me the argument over what the word itself is pointless. It is crucual to understand that racial prejudice against people in power that stems from a history of oppression is completely different than racial prejudice that comes from a position of power against people you have oppressed. Before we continue, can you confirm that you understand this? Without hastening to qualify it or compromise it in any way?
For the record, I called him a black supremacist because, when people pointed out there is black autism, he blamed that on mixing with white people. That sure sounds like he thinks black people are the superior race and shouldn’t mix with the others.
And pool, please don’t post shit that could be used to support scientific racism unless you have your cite and are 100% sure of its veracity. A quick Googling showed nothing.
There are studies showing traumatic childhoods (and even traumas experienced by the mother while in utero) do indeed impact cognitive development due to heightened levels of cortisol over long periods of time. This isn’t specific to black kids, but to all at-risk kids. It does disproportionately affect black kids, though, who overall are more likely to be at risk.
Note that this is not “mental retardation,” as pool mentions. The effects of overexposure to cortisol are wildly variable. They’re also hereditary - studies have found that the children of Holocaust survivors had weird cortisol markers.
That means that a comfortably middle-class black kid is still more likely to suffer from certain problems if his parents had shitty childhoods but managed to pull themselves out of it. It also means that experiencing racism (and the associated stress) can directly impact your mental health.
Of course, the solution here is the same as the solution always is: more effective interventions and support structures for at-risk children, more effort spent reducing socioeconomic disparity, and more effort spent shitkicking racist fuckers no matter what color their skin happens to be, because ‘prejudice plus power’ is a stupid, inherently racist ideology with little purpose except to excuse heinous bigotry.
I don’t want to be seen defending pool’s claim, but here is a reference to it.
Environmental factors play a huge role in intellectual development.
His claim was that the deficiencies existed even after those issues are controlled. ]
Your cite actually contradicts his claim.
I totally recognize the difference, but I don’t agree that we can ignore the attempts to change the word itself. Yes, the latter is worse than the former, but the former still is not a good thing. And the attempt to say it isn’t racism is an attempt to make it not seem as bad.
Racism has the meaning “prejudice towards or discrimination against anyone for their race.” It achieved its negative connotation because of this definition. And so a lot of people try to redefine it so it doesn’t include them.
And I think anything that makes “racism without power” remotely more acceptable only helps make “racism with power” acceptable. It allows arguments that the whole thing manipulation.
I get the concepts, but I do think it’s important we don’t let the word be changed. Because, while they are rare, I have met people who genuinely are racist against white people, and that’s still wrong. If you are racist against white people, then racist white people will argue they can be racist towards you, and no amount of “but racism without power isn’t really racism” will change that.
The war is with words. Redefining words is one of the goto tactics of the racist right to get their ideology through. I know liberals who crow about PC SJWs who virtue signal.
Words are important.
Likely he found it here, since the language he uses closely matches that of the blogger. Note that the article’s first link is to a scientific study that works with a very small population and doesn’t come to the conclusions the blogger pretends.
As I said, arguing about the word is a distraction. It’s about whether you understand and accept historical inequities that make it a different thing for one group vs. another. And yes, of course ALL THINGISM IS BAD!
From “What the fuck is wrong with Huey Freeman” to Stormfront.
Congrats, white people. Huey probably somehow knew it would end up like this.
Now, for the educated among us, here’s what you need to take with you from this thread: people who subscribe to Stormfront’s vision of America can become CEO’s of companies. They can become landlords. They can become neighborhood watch vigilantes. They can become bank loan officers. They can become mayors, governors, sheriffs, congressmen, Senators, and even President. The Huey Freemans of the world? Not so much.
Think about that. Racism, real racism, is more about actual power and the ability to abuse others than it is about a fantasy to do so.
How do you know Huey is none of those things?
Besides, power comes and goes, and certain worldviews your group develops when they have no power aren’t that easy to get rid of once that changes. Take it from me.
Well, why not drop the ban hammer and just say “Yeah I did it”. What’s he gonna do? If all the other trolls come trolling about freedumb furst mendmint then they can go too.
It would be fun to watch.
Huey Freeman is a black dumbass. The world is full of black dumbasses, white dumbasses, dumbasses of every race, religion, color, sex, national origin, age, state of physical or mental health, sexual preference, gender identity, marital status, citizenship status, hair color, eye color, sock color, and styling of pubic hair. That’s called equality.
I will probably continue to have little power. I will continue to define racism as prejudice against those of a certain race, continue to treat people like people, continue to think Louis Farrakhan is an enormous dildo and Harriet Tubman was a superhuman badass. The worst thing a hater can do isn’t to hate us, but to implant hatred for them in our heart.
There was a storm here last night, and the dark trees are standing amidst the white snow. I am drinking black coffee out of a white cup, because I’m out of milk. Evil continues to be stupid, ugly, and boring, and the world is still the same.
If this sidebar on scientific racism continues, I’ll join iiandyiiii and leave the discussion. We’ve had that conversation many times and the topic is as racist and wrong as it always is.
I believe we already have a thread open for that, anyways. (Didn’t SlackerInc open up another one for his bullshit?)
Absolutely. If you watched* Surviving R Kelly,* one of the white jurors flat-out said that he didn’t believe the victims because of what they looked like. When the black families sought law enforcement to help get their daughters from R. Kelly, the white cops told them there was “nothing we can do”. The R. Kelly case where he was acquitted: the judge was white, the prosecutors were white, and the majority of the jurors were white. Chris Brown? The judge was white and the prosecutor was white. Bill Cosby? The judge was *white *and the jurors were comprised of 10 *white *jurors (7 or which were white men). White fingerprints are all over this shit. I mean, are you so stupid that you think these cases were brought in front of black judge, black jurors, and a black prosecutor? Either you are naive (unlikely) or fucking stupid (most likely). By the way, you’re talking devaluing and debasing women? How do you square that with how you treat your imported handbag? I’d really, really like to know. It’s pathetic how you white folk will marry or adopt a person of color, allow them to be discriminated against, and hand-wave it away as benign. It’s not benign, and, if you doubt this, tell your handbag how you dismissed the discrimination she suffered. How do you think your imported handbag would feel? Go on, show her that post. You know which one. Let me tell you something about your handbag. Your handbag is courageous because she is still with you despite suffering discrimination because of you. Despite her sacrifice, you feel nothing because you’re an empty, soulless husk. She is too good for you, and, I hope she gets her citizenship and leaves your racist ass for someone who will cherish her poise and appreciated sacrifice(s) she has endured to come to this country for you.
So a so-called group shares all traits and responsibilities for each member?:dubious: I’m actually surprised you are getting any pushback on this site aside from you being a bit too inconveniently obvious.
madsircool isn’t the sexist buttmunch calling her a “handbag”. Do you always refer to women as objects, or treat foreign children like that?
Yes, he does. Because he’s bigoted trash. If Huey caught bubonic plague it’d immediately become the best thing about him.